Are Ahmadi Muslims or Non-Muslims?

By Yasser Latif Hamdani

Source: PakTeaHouse

Jinnah with Pakistan flag

Muhammad Ali Jinnah with Pakistan flag in the background

“Ahmadis are Muslims, If They Say They are Muslims and No One, Not Even the Sovereign Legislature, has the Right to Say Otherwise”. Muhammad Ali Jinnah (05 May 1944).

(Credit: Pakteahouse.net By Yasser Latif Hamdani)

The poison of ignorance and extremism that Bhutto and General Zia jointly fathered during their dictatorial regimes has fully indoctrinated even those who otherwise describe themselves as educated.

This week the Large Hadron Collider at the CERN inched closer to the discovery of Higgs Boson or the God Particle as it were. In this extraordinary story of human achievement,  Dr. Abdus Salam is a key player who put Pakistan on the map of theoretical physics. In his homeland though, a group of self-styled champions of Islam have started a posthumous campaign of scurrilous slander claiming that Dr. Salam was giving out nuclear secrets. Forget that even a confirmed bigot like General Zia  held a ceremony in our only nobel prize winner’s honour or that no one ever accused Dr. Salam of any such thing; in Pakistan to be a hero you have to actually transfer technology to Iran, Libya and North Korea.

Now consider the case of 11 year old Sitara Akbar. Every Pakistani and his mother in law are citing her as a crowning national achievement, blissfully oblivious of the fact that she is an Ahmadi. To them her religion is suddenly unimportant or irrelevant or is it? How many Sitara Akbars have been expelled from our schools for being Ahmadi? How many productive citizens of this republic have been killed and maimed for believing differently?

Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s National Assembly imagined itself the Islamic equivalent of the Council of Nicea. Just as that ancient bastion of Christian orthodoxy excommunicated unitarian Christians for not believing in the trinity of the father, son and the holy ghost, the National Assembly saw it fit to – primarily at the instigation of the Prime Minister and his law minister- declare an entire sect non-Muslim. Just like the post hoc elevation of the principle of trinity at Nicea, Pakistan’s National Assembly located Islam in the principle of the finality of Prophethood.

This act of our sovereign legislature stood in sharp contrast to the view of this nation’s founding father. On 5 May, 1944, in response to demands of the orthodox vis a vis Ahmadis, Jinnah made it absolutely clear that anyone who professes to be a Muslim is a Muslim and welcome in the Muslim League and that those who were raising the issue were trying to divide the Muslims. Here I am forced to say that I am inclined to accept Jinnah’s view and reject the collective wisdom of our sovereign legislature. There are several reasons which may be cited in this regard:

  1. First and foremost Pakistan is bound by the United Nations’ charter. Therefore Pakistan is bound to ensure freedom of religion for all its citizens and freedom of religion means freedom of religion according to the definition of the subject of the said freedom.
  2. Identity is subjective not objective. The state of Pakistan or any other state cannot tell an Ahmadi that he is not a Muslim because it is intrinsic to the faith of an Ahmadi.  This is an inviolable, inalienable right as part of right to life which every state in the world is bound to protect. If Ahmadis say they are Muslims they ought to be accepted as such.
  3. Pakistan is a signatory to the ICCPR and without reservations since June 2011. Therefore every piece of legislation that discriminates against Ahmadis or forces a label upon them is ultra vires the ICCPR.
  4. The Islamic argument: According to the Holy Prophet (PBUH) anyone who utters the Kalima Shahadah is a Muslim. None of the Kalimas, including the Primary Kalima Shahadah contains any reference to the principle of the finality of Prophethood as understood by the Muslim majority today.
  5. Finally because by conduct and promise, Pakistani state is estopped from claiming otherwise. In 1947, Pakistan laid claim to Qadian as a Muslim holy place, a counter-blast to Sikh claims on Nankana Sahib and Hassan Abdal.  Similarly in 1946 elections which is the basic referendum on the question of Pakistan, Ahmadi votes were instrumental in getting Muslims Pakistan. These are undeniable facts of history.

Therefore- fully aware of the stigma attached to this statement- I concur with Quaid-e-Azam Mahomed Ali Jinnah, thefounding father of Pakistan that Ahmadis are Muslims, if they say they are Muslims and no one, not even the sovereign legislature, has the right to say otherwise.

Reference

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Categories: Asia, Pakistan, Sectarianism

42 replies

  1. Unfortunately majority of politician Mullahs in Pakistan are a sign of curse and unless curse is vanished there will be no peace prosperity and respect for Pakistanis in the right thinking eyes of the world. These accurced Mullahs have caused identity problems to noble citizens too who are looked upon as terrorists and bombers. No doubt majority of Pakistanis are noble but accursed Mullahs although very few but are very powerful and play in the hands of super powers as their paid employees. God save Pakistan amen.

  2. Dear Latif and Mansoor Sb,
    AOA

    Thank you for posting.

    Let the Muslim and Non Muslim Leaders know about The Founder of Pakistan Muhammad Ali Jinnah’s statement follows;
    “Ahmadis are Muslims, If They Say They are Muslims and No One, Not Even the Sovereign Legislature, has the Right to Say Otherwise”.
    May Almighty Allah Bless him a place in paradise. Moreover may Almighty Allah bless both of you and your family members a peaceful, happy, healthy and wealthy long life. Amen

    k/r

    Munawar Ahmad Bajwa
    Germany

  3. In the Name of Allah the Most Gracious Ever Merciful
    xyz !, how ungrateful you are!!! you have no hesitation to miss-characterizing, the father of the Nation. First of All he was a man of Principle and character, even if he drank, it was his personal matter. What you will say about Allama Iqbal, Z. A. Bhutto, Asdullah Khan Ghalib, Syyed Abdul Hameed Adam Sahba Kiram, Hadhrat Hamza or Abas before hurmat-a-sharab.
    Ghalib ham tomain walee samajhtay gar nah bada khar hota.
    Holy Quran says: “Do not say you are not moumin, if some one say salam to you”
    Holy Prophet sallallho wa aalihe wasalim, said whosoever recite kalma shihadat offer salat to our Kibla and eat our salaughter, he is Muslim according to Allah..He is under the responsibility of Allah and His messinger, so do not itervine in the responsibility…
    Zarif Ahmad

  4. Assalamu-alaikum Bro.,

    Ahmadiya Sect
    In the name of Allah, We praise Him, seek His help and ask for His forgiveness. Whoever Allah guides none can misguide, and whoever He allows to fall astray, none can guide them aright. We bear witness that there is no one (no idol, no person, no grave, no prophet, no imam, no dai, nobody!) worthy of worship but Allah Alone, and we bear witness that Muhammad (saws) is His slave-servant and the seal of His Messengers.

    Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 33 Surah Ahzaab verse 40:Mohamed is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal (Last) of the Prophets. And Allah is the knower of everything.

    The Messenger of Allah (saws) has said in many authentic narrations: “There is no Prophet after me.”

    Allah and His Messenger (saws) have clearly declared that Mohamed (saws) is the Last Prophet and there are no Prophets after him. Neither will there be any Revelations revealed to anybody else after Prophet Mohamed (saws).

    Thus, one who testifies that there is no god except Allah Alone, and Mohamed (saws) is His Final Messenger; will be considered a muslim.

    Anyone who believes that there is a another Prophet after Prophet Mohamed (saws) who was appointed by Allah, and he received Revelations; he will not be considered a muslim. It does matter what name he keeps or what he does, because of his belief that there is another Prophet after Prophet Mohamed (saws), he leaves the fold of Islam.

    The Ahmadis are not recognized as muslims because they believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is a prophet and that he received revelations from Allah.

    If we were to give a detailed explanation of their fantastic philosophies, it would indeed require a book. Many eminent and worthy scholars of Islam have written books about the Ahmadi menace and issues, and it would be worthwhile to read some of those to gain an in-depth knowledge of their philosophies and false beliefs, if one indeed wants to understand the Ahmadi issue.

    May Allah help the muslims to unite as One Ummah

  5. Assalam-o-Alaikum! Non-Ahmadi Muslims believe that the Holy Prophet Muhammad (sa) is the Last and Final Prophet, yet they believe in the coming of a Prophet after him, i.e., Hadhrat Isa (as). In famous “Muqaddama Bahawalpur” on p-68 vol-1, Anwar Shah Kashmiri stated before the court that there is no Prophet after the Holy Prophet (sa) but ONE whose exception the Holy Prophet (sa) has mentioned. When confronted with this apparently contradictory belief, some argue that he would not be a Prophet in his 2nd coming; some say a previous prophet like him can come but a new Prophet cannot come; Hadhrat Isa (as) has already been born and raised and a new Prophet shall not be BORN / RAISED.

    If Mr. M. Hussain agrees, I can humbly submit the refutations of all such excuses, based on Quran, Sunnah, Hadith, books of non-Ahmadi scholars (previous and modern) and common sense.

    Last but not the least, Mr. M. Hussain must remember that Muslims, or for that matter anyone, cannot be united unless they have an Imam / leader and a Jama`at.

  6. ASAK,
    Yes, we Muslims believe the 2nd coming of Prophet Jesus as an Ummati of the Last and Final Messenger of Allah, Mohammed-ur-Rasool Allah and not as a new prophet or for that reason bringing new religion. Deen Al-Islam is completed and there will be not new deen.
    Visit ISLAMHELPLINE(DOT)NET for more info.

  7. Dear Hussain

    New or old prophet is not the issue! The key question is whether there is a prophet after the Holy Prophet Muhammad may peace be on him or not? If there is one then he is not the last prophet, this is simple, logical and mathematical, if you will. Let me link one of my previous posts on this issue, Elephant in the room: A fallacy in Sunni Doctrine!

    I do agree with you that the religion or Sharia is completed and there is no new Sharia or Law bearing Prophet.

  8. I do not have the exact wording of the hadith, but it is something like this:

    Once during a defensive war one Muslim killed one Mekkan who recited the Kalima before his death. When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) he asked ‘why did you kill him when he recited the Kalima?’ The Muslim soldier replied ‘he did so only because he was scared of death’. The Prophet (pboh) was very angry and asked again and again: ‘Did you open his heart? (to see why he recited the Kalima?).

    In other words: who-ever recites ‘There is no God but Allah and Mohammad (pboh) is His Prophet’ we have to acknowledge as a Muslim. Only Allah can be the final judge (for us in the next life).

    I feel sorry for those Muslims who think they should make such decisions — without opening our hearts (which, indeed they cannot)-. Allah’s anger might be on them.

  9. In the Name of Allah the Most Gracious Ever Merciful
    Assalamo Alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh
    So non-Ahmadies as well as Ahmadies are in agreement with that only Ummatee prophet (Nabee) can come in Ummah, However hadzrat Eisa can not be Ummatee and can not come back as he was already been given Prophethood, he has been given Gospels and not Quran, he was sent for a limited people Bani-Israeel, while Holy Prophet p.b.u.h was sent Kaffata linnas towards all mankind.
    By coming of Ummatee Nabee, Deen is still perfact and he does not add or subtract any thing from Deen, the wording of Quran-e-Majid will never ever change Eisa a s always in the Quran Rasoolun ela bani Israeel. Ibn-e-Meryam has come, Don’t turn your back to him. Only Allah knows what would be the punishment of Kafir of Ibn-e-Meryem Nabeeullah. for further knowledge please browse http://www.alislam.org
    Zarif Ahmad

  10. Dear Zia,

    Identification of true Messiah of the Last Era

    by: Muhammad Yusuf Lughianvi

    “And verily he (Jesus) shall be a sign of the Hour (of judgment), so doubt not in it.” (Holy Quran, 43:61)

    Foreword

    Allah’s Prophet Muhammad(SAW) has informed that some major signs shall precede the occurrence of the Resurrection Day. Among them are: the Appearance of Hazrat Mahdi, emerging of Dajjal, the one-eyed impostor, and descending of Hazrat Masih Isa Bin Mariam(AS) in this world. This Tradition has been received as a Mutawatir Hadith.

    Many insolent adventurists sprang up in the past, claiming to be Mahdi or Masih but their claims paled down on the touchstone of truth and facts. However, their protagonists in some numbers are still alive. Taking his cue from these liars, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian (India) followed in their footsteps in the nineteenth century A.D. Moving step by step, he claimed to be a revivalist (Mujaddid) in 1884, Masih in 1891 and finally a prophet (Nabi) in 1901. In this manner, one more name was added in the list of those who claimed to be Masih, Mahdi and Nabi.

    In Rajab, 1399, A.H., I wrote a pamphlet which was in reply to a letter, a Qadiani had sent me. In it I had enumerated some holy utterances of the holy Prophet(SAW) in this regard. These were but the same as Mirza Ghulam Ahmad had himself earlier acknowledged. Mirza admitted that these special signs must precede before Masih comes forth in the world. Despite what he had admitted, he came out later with the claim that he himself was Mahdi and Masih, knowing well that he was telling lies and making false claims.

    My pamphlet, which is now before you titled as Shinakht (Identification) has been published several times in the past but here is its revised edition.

    May Allah, the Exalted, grant it approbation and turn it into an instrument for guiding the misguided ones.

    Muhammad Yusuf Ludhianvi Rajab 14, 1410, A.H.

    Identification Signs of Hazrat Masih (Jesus)

    A Qadiani gentleman once wrote me a piece of advice. He told me:

    “You have made lots of plans and schemes for the destruction and ruin of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. You have shown all possible hostility to his God and Prophet. Now, come, be kind to yourself for God’s sake. If you can’t reform your own self, at least don’t invite God’s displeasure to hit you because you are misguiding people and carrying them away from what is true”.

    My answer was: “Indeed, indeed, I value your advice. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, if really a Masih and a Mahdi, my denial of him amounts to my denying Allah. I stand exposed, inviting His displeasure because I am misguiding people. But same to you, my brother-in-humanity, if it happens the other way round, that is, if Mirza Ghulam Ahmad turns out to be a cheat”.

    While analyzing the contents of your letter I saw that you quoted one statement of the holy Prophet(SAW). You wrote that he said: “When Masih and Mahdi appear, convey to them my salaam.” Now, I ask you: Along with this message, the Prophet(SAW) must have also told the Ummah how to recognize and identify Masih, because unless he is recognized how would the Ummah convey to him the Prophet’s message of salaam. Also, when we should expect Masih to come; how long he will stay; what about his physical looks, his dress; where he will go; what he will do; when and where he will die; and so on. Yes, for your information, all necessary signs and details about these matters have been bequeathed to the Ummah in the exalted Traditions of the holy Prophet(SAW).

    Let’s analyze these signs one by one. Let’s see, whether Mirza fits into them. If he does, OK, take him on as Masih and call others to do the same, but if he does not, then, I shall take you for a ride and tell everybody that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was an ultra-hoax. I wouldn’t stop at that. I would also say that chicanery has degrees; Syed Muhammad Jaunpuri (U.P., India), Mulla Muhammad Attoki (Punjab) and Ali Muhammad Baab (Iran) were hoaxes in the comparative degree but Mirza was in the superlative degree! After my analysis if you still persisted in calling him a ‘Masih’, then, I am afraid, a vulture with sleepy eyelids is a phoenix for you.

    Therefore, it is a duty, yours, mine and that of everybody to focus Mirza into the light of those identification signs the holy Ahadith specify. If Mirza’s parameter blurs, be honest to reject him. Take up my gauntlet since it’s you who have stirred up the hornets’ peace. I proceed with Allah’s guidance:

    1. Times of Hazrat Masih’s Arrival

    When will Hazrat Masih (AS) come is obviously the foremost question. For an answer to it, I quote your grand-sire Mirza Ghulam Ahmad himself from his book Haqiqat-ul Wahi, P.193:

    First sign: “Said Allah’s Prophet Allah will raise for this at the head of each century, one person who will revive Deen for it.” (Abu-Dawood). And this is also unanimously agreed among Ahle-Sunnat that the last revivalist of this Ummah is the promised Masih who will appear in the last era. Now this should be inquired into whether this era is the last one or not? Jews and Christians, both the nations agree, that this is the last era. Ask them, if you like”. (Haqiqat ul Wahi, P. 193)

    Mirza in the above statement has tacitly alluded to himself as Masih.

    Mirza check-mated in the light of his above statement

    Major premises, as established by Mirza himself:

    Saying of the holy Prophet (SAW) that one revivalist will head every century; Unanimous agreement among Ahle-Sunnat that Masih will be the last revivalist of the last era; Jews and Christians agree that Mirza’s period is the last era.
    Minor premises, also established by Mirza

    Fourteenth century is the last century; In it will come the last revivalist; The last revivalist will be Masih.
    Proof

    Fourteenth century is finished; Fifteenth century has started; New revivalist will come in fifteenth century.
    Q.E.D. (Thus Was Proven)

    Mirza is not the last revivalist; Mirza is not Masih; Mirza is an arch-hoax.
    I expect my Qadiani well-wisher to understand this much of geometry at least! If honest, let him give a straight verdict:

    That Mirza is just Mirza Neither Masih nor Mahdi, But only a Masquerade Patriarch of progeny Of the gullible and the cunning.

    2. Duration of Masih’s stay on earth

    Second question is how long Masih will live in this world. The Ahadith say forty years. Mirza Mahmud Ahmad acknowledged it (Haqiqat un Nubuwwah, P. 192). His father, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, had already declared likewise. He rather claimed to have had a revelation to the effect that he would preach for forty years. In his Nishan-e-Aasmani on P. 13, his poetic vein throbbed when he quoted Shah Niamat Ullah Wali and conveniently fitted the contents of his couplet upon himself.

    “Till forty years O brother mine, era of that cavalier, I see”. (Mirza calling himself a cavalier).

    Mirza further writes:

    “From that day, the Imam will reveal himself, as one who is divinely inspired; he will have a life of forty years thereafter. Now let it be clear that this humble has been commissioned for preaching the truth by special revelation in fortieth year of his life and has been given a good news that ‘thy age is up to 80 years or thereabouts’. Therefore, by this revelation my preaching commission is proved up to 40 years, out of which full 10 years have already passed”.

    It is evident from Mirza’s above statement that he means to say that Hazrat Masih(AS) will live for forty years on his second coming to the world. Claiming Messiahship in 189l, Mirza died on May 26, 1908; living 17.5 years as a self-proclaimed Masih in the world. If we also include that period when he claimed only to be a Mujaddid and not Masih, even then till June 1892 (the year of publication of Nishan-e-Aasmani) the period of “full ten years” will be further added. In other words his claim of Messiahship started in 1882 and by 1908 his living period would be 26 years. Hence even then Mirza did not fulfill the Prophetic saying (viz. Masih will stay in the world for forty years) and his claim of Messiahship did not prove true. Consequently, I ask, did Mirza complete his 40 years of preaching since “that humble had been commissioned”? No, never. Yet another proof of his lies!

    Ironically someone told me: Mirza was going to die in 1922, but look at Hazrat Izraeel(AS) who started his count-down in 1908; good that he was packed up earlier and was released from his melancholic hyster-mania. Had not the world seen of him, heard of him, enough!

    3. Details relating to Hazrat Masih’s Personality

    (a) Marriage and Children According to Mishkat Shareef (P. 480) Hazrat Masih(AS) on coming down to the world will marry and have children.

    Mirza admits this in juxtaposition and support of his own “celestial” marriage. He writes:

    “Allah’s Prophet(SAW) has already foretold in support of this prediction (i.e. Muhammadi Begum’s marriage with Mirza ‘in the sky’) that the promised Masih will take a wife and will be father of children. Now, to mention wife and children is obviously a normal occurrence because everyone marries and has children; so no excellence in that. But (a particular Mention of) taking a wife and having children means some special wife and some special children. In this respect a prediction of this humble self is already there. In other words, it appears the Prophet(SAW) is giving a reply to the doubts of the black-hearted unbelievers that these events will certainly occur! ” (Appendix Anjam-e-Atham, P. 53).

    A person who does not believe in the fulfillment of Prophetic utterances is no doubt black-hearted.

    Mirza had written this in 1896. By that time, he had married twice and he had children from both wives. But no excellence in that, he said. The marriage to be excellent had to be in the nature of a token from Allah. But neither the “special marriage” nor “special children” were in Mirza’s luck. Thus, he failed to match the criteria of identification which the Prophet(SAW) has established for Hazrat Masih This is another point which proves that Mirza was not Masih

    (b) Haj and Pilgrimage In course of fixing an account of the events from the life of Hazrat Masih(AS), the Prophet of Allah(SAW) spoke very specifically about the performance of Haj and Umra (to Mekkah) by hazrat Masih(AS) and also about conveying his salaam to the holy Prophet when he (i.e. Masih(AS) would present himself at the holy mausoleum in Madina Munawwara. (Mustadrak Hakim, Vol. 2, P. 595). Mirza himself had acknowledged that it would happen. Consequently according to his Ayyam-e-Sulh, P. 168, once, when he was asked as to why he did not perform Haj by then, he replied:

    “Our Haj will be at the time when Dajjal having forsaken his infidelity and deception would perform Baitullah’s tawaf (around Kaba), because, according to Hadith Sahih, same would be the time for the promised Masih to perform Haj”.

    At another place, it is reported in Mirza’s Malfoozat (Record of conversations):

    “Letter of Maulvi Muhammad Husain Batalvi was read out in the esteemed presence of hazrat promised Masih, wherein objection was raised as to why he did not perform Haj. In reply, the promised Masih said: “My first assignment is killing of swine and breaking of the ‘cross’. I am still killing swine; many swine have died but many hard cores are still left. Let there be some respite and disengagement!” (Malfoozat-e-Ahmadiya, Part Five, P. 264, compiled by Manzoor Ilahi).

    The world knows that Mirza was denied the good fortune of performing Haj and pilgrimage to the Prophet’s mausoleum till at last he breathed away into thin air. This proves again that he was not the promised Masih and did not match the token set up by the Prophet(SAW).

    (c) Death and Burial Allah’s Prophet(SAW) said that Hazrat Masih(AS) would die after completing the duration he was destined to pass in the world and that Muslims would offer his funeral prayers and bury him in the holy mausoleum by the side of Hazrat Abu Bakr and Hazrat Umar(RAs) (Mishkat, P. 480)

    Admitting this statement of the Prophet(SAW), Mirza writes in his book Kashti-e-Nooh, P. 15:

    “The Prophet(SAW) says, ‘the promised Masih will be buried in my grave’, that is to say he (Masih) is the same as I”

    At another place, in Izala-e-Auham he writes:

    “Possibly there may come some resembler of Masih who may be buried near the mausoleum of the Prophet(SAW)”

    The whole world knows that Mirza never had a chance to breathe the air of Medina. He lied buried in Qadian. Hence he could not be deemed the promised Masih.

    4. Hazrat Masih(AS) will descend from the sky

    That Masih(AS) for whom the Prophet(SAW) desired his salaam to be conveyed will be the one who would descend from the sky. In his book, Izala-e-Auham on page 81, Mirza himself confirmed this indication given by the Prophet(SAW) as follows:

    “For instance this word is there in the Hadith of Sahih Muslim that when Hazrat Masih will descend from the sky, his dress will be of yellow color”!

    Now, who does not know that Mirza came out from the womb of Chiragh Bibi? Is a woman’s womb called ‘sky’. Can you still say Mirza was Masih?

    5. Details of Deeds of Hazrat Masih

    The holy Prophet(SAW) has given the details of the deeds which shall be accomplished by Hazrat Masih; for instance, Hadith of Sahih Bukhari says:

    “I swear by Him in Whose hands is my life that soon there will descend among you Hazrat Isa Ibn-e-Mariam as a Just authority; so (he) will break the ‘cross’, kill swine and discontinue war!” (Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 1, P. 490)

    This noble Hadith mentions several deeds which Hazrat Masih will perform after his descent. Before going into those, let’s evaluate the significance of the Oath which was taken here by the Prophet(SAW). First of all you should understand what does an oath signify. An oath, as ever, is pronounced on those occasions where, either the assertion appears doubtful, or some element of astonishment exists or where the assertion admits no incongruity. Absolute credence in the veracity of a statement is the sine qua non of an oath. Mirza agrees to this and in his book Hamamat ul Bushra, on page 14, says:

    “An oath vouches that the news must go along with its prima-facie; there is no interpretation in it and no exclusion”

    (a) Who is Masih (AS) The Prophet(SAW) testified that:

    Name of the coming Masih shall be Isa; But Mirza’s name was not Isa. It was Ghulam Ahmad. Imagine the difference between Isa and Ghulam Ahmad? Any connection between the two? Name of Masih’s mother is Mariam Siddiqa; But the name of Mirza’s mother was Chiragh Bibi. Masih(AS) shall descend from the sky; But Mirza did not descend from the sky.
    The Prophet(SAW) pronounced the above three signs on oath and Mirza admitted them all. To quote him again: “An oath vouches that the news goes along with its prima-facie; there is no interpretation in it and no exclusion”. Therefore, judge for yourself the act of that man who takes the liberty of cir*****venting the oath of the Prophet Would he be considered to have faith in the Prophet(SAW)? Certainly not!

    (b) Masih(AS) will be a Just Authority The Prophet(SAW) also pronounced on oath that Masih(AS) will come in the capacity of a ruler who is just and will perform Khilafat duties and would be a sovereign over the entire Millat-e-Islamia. On the other hand, we find Mirza begged to remain the most obedient servant of Queen Victoria of England. For generations, Mirza was a faithful subject of the British Indian rulers and felt honored when his ancestors were given a chair to sit on in the British Darbar held in Delhi. He took pride to be in the serfdom of British rulers. A toady of the British imperialists, he fawned on the British Queen, owed fealty to her Lords in India and worst of all he played a spy against the Muslims and his countrymen.

    More so, Mirza was never a ruler of any description anywhere; far from it. He did not exercise any authority over any village of India even. At best, he served as a Munshi in District Court, Sialkot. The truth, therefore, is that no mark of identification spelled out by the holy Prophet(SAW) tilts on him and Mirza admits his low profile in his book, Izala-e-Auham, when he writes on page 200:

    “It is possible, rather very much possible, that such Masih will come in some era on whom the apparent words of the Ahadith of the Prophet (SAW) will fall true because this humble self has not come down with sovereignty or rulership of the world”.

    Thus, Mirza cannot be deemed Masih because he does not befit the holy Prophet’s(SAW) edict.

    (c) Breaking of the Cross Hazrat Isa’s most important mission, after descending on the earth will be the reformation of his people who shall consist of his antagonists, the Jews and his protagonists, the Christians.

    In those days, Dajjal, will be the leader of all the Jews. Hazrat Isa(AS) will first put him to death and then make an end of the Jews. Then he will turn towards the Christians and reform them of their misguided notions that stemmed from the beliefs of Trinity, Crucifixion and Expiation. His descending in day-light before all eyes, the very spectacle, will dispel the deification dogma. A human among humans, his physique will refute dogmas of Trinity, Cross and Atonement. With a living Masih(AS) around and spurious beliefs negated, the Christians shall pray to Allah for forgiveness. Naturally, they will take to Islam and will throw away all ‘crosses’, none remaining.

    As you know, most evils in society take root from pork-eating. Therefore, Hazrat Isa(AS) will destroy swine. In this way, he will uproot all noxious practices at religious and social levels. Christians, converted to Islam, will break ‘crosses’ themselves and kill pigs and swine.

    Could Mirza accomplish all this? How could he go against his swine-eater masters. Does a vassal go against his lord?

    During the period he alleged he was busy in breaking the cross, he got an excuse that he had no time to go to Haj. The fact remains that Christianity made great progress during that very period. In his book, Izala-e-Auham, he writes on page 491:

    “When slightly over half of the thirteenth century had passed, then this group of Dajjals appeared. They continued to make substantial progress till the end of this century. Then, as Priest Baker Sahib said, Christians reached up to the pitch of 500,000 in India alone. It has now been estimated that 100,000 men will become Christians in the next twelve years.”

    It was the ill-omened step of Mirza that caused so many Christian bloomings to sprout up in India. This was the condition when he was alive. What happened after his exit from the world is quoted from a Qadiani newspaper, Al-Fazl, dated June 19, 1941, on page 5:

    “Do you know, there are 137 Christian missions operating in India i.e. Head missions; number of their branches is many more. More than 1800 Priests are working in the Head Missions. There are 403 hospitals in which 500 Doctors are working. There are 43 printing presses and about 100 newspapers are printed in different languages. They are running 51 Colleges, 617 High Schools and 61 Training Colleges, where 60,000 students study. In the (Christian) Salvation Army there are 308 European and 2,866 Indian priests. Under them, there are 507 Primary Schools in which 18,675 students study. Under different departments of this “Army”, 3,200 men are nourished. As a result of these efforts and sacrifices it is said that 224 persons of different religions are being daily converted to Christianity in India”.

    Al-Fazl reports 81,760 persons becoming Christians every year in 1941 in India alone, leave aside the remaining world. Judge for yourself: Does this amount to breaking the ‘cross’ for which the Prophet(SAW) had given the good news on oath. Could this counterfeit Masih be that breaker of ‘Cross’ for whom the Prophet(SAW) said ‘Give my salaam to him!”

    Let your conscience be the judge and remove the impure from the pure if you can. Take it for sure that there will come down the real Masih, and not this scarecrow! That Masih, who will wipe off the relics of Christianity from the face of the earth will be different from this impostor.

    Nothing what Mirza says stands but on crutches of cir*****vention. When foretelling of the Prophet(SAW) are straightforward why believe in the crookedness of a crook.

    But Mirza had a brain-wave. He came out with an idea and said that Masih(AS) was lying buried in a grave in Mohalla Khan Yar in Srinagar (Kashmir, India). This turned out to be Yuza Asef’s, grave but Mirza insisted on his version. Reason for his insistence was that thereby he would ask the people to take it for granted that ‘Cross’ had been broken. Then, he went one step further to say that he had killed the God of Christians:

    “In fact our purpose in tile is twofold; one, to kill a prophet and second, to kill Satan”. (Malfoozat, Vol. 10, P. 60).

    But those upon whom Allah has bestowed knowledge are aware that killing of the god of Christians was an “accomplishment” of Sir Syed Ahmad! At a time when Mirza Ghulam Ahmad firmly believed in a living Masih and used to prove that Masih was alive by quoting the Ayat of the holy Quran and his own “revelation” as on pages 498-99 and 505 in his Braheen-e-Ahmadiya, Sir Syed Ahmad at that very time had vainly and presumptuously proved the death of Hazrat Isa(AS) (God forbid) on the holy Quran’s testimony. Result was that some persons were misguided by the notions of Sir Syed Ahmad, and men like Hakeem Noor-ud-Din, Maulvi Abdul Kareem and Maulvi Muhammad Ahsan Amrohvi and some modern educated people fell a prey to the belief of Masih’s death. Therefore, if proving Masih’s death means breaking the ‘Cross’ then, it is Sir Syed who deserves the title of the “promised Masih” and “breaker of Cross”, and not Mirza!

    Anyhow, it should also be noted that ‘Cross worship and expiation dogmas came to be accepted by the Christians when the ‘Cross’ was regarded sanctimonious because ‘hanging’ of Hazrat Isa(AS) and his dying on it is the belief of Christians. Mirza differs from this belief only over one detail, that is, he says that Isa(AS) did not die as a result of hanging but feigned dead-like and contrived to escape into Kashmir where he died a natural death later. In short, Mirza agrees with the Christians that Isa(AS) is dead; so wherefore his claim of breaking the ‘Cross’ stands?

    Islam calls the whole episode a story made up by the Jews in which the Christians acquiesced and I say Mirza, in his folly, followed suit trailing behind them. Therefore, in Islam, Isa was never crucified. Hence the crucifix has no sanctity. This truth will unravel at the time of Hazrat Isa’s descent. His sublime presence shall put all spurious beliefs to naught.

    (d) Wars will cease and Jazia will end The above-quoted Hadith of Sahih Bukhari has mentioned the words wars will end as one great deed of Hazrat Masih(AS), i.e. he will put a stop to strife and war. Other Traditions in which these words are used, purport to signify that levy of Jazia will cease. Mirza mounts up his falsehood on the basis of this Prophetic saying and asks Muslim Ummah to become obedient to the British Government. For this reason he declared that holy wars waged against the British were ‘Haram’ (forbidden.). On the other hand, this Tradition merely meant to say that after the arrival of Hazrat Masih(AS) all sorts of dissension against one another shall disappear, whether religious or secular. There will be neither enmity nor resentment, no squabbles, no fights. In this situation, Jazia will automatically cease because religious feuds would have disappeared.

    But, historically we find that during the post-death era of Mirza, his ill-omened being heralded poppies of two World Wars with sporadic outbreaks of hostilities here and there, while the third world war is looming large on humanity’s head like the sword of Damocles. Far from putting an end to Jazia, Mirza’s Qadiani Jamaat today is eating bread and butter of non-Muslims in Britain and elsewhere in European Christian countries.

    Be just and tell me if the tokens the Prophet(SAW) swore by are discernible anywhere in Mirza’s personality? Certainly not. Ponder, is Mirza a Masih a laughing stock?

    (e) Killing of Dajjal

    As the Chief of Jews, Dajjal will first of all show himself off as a very holy man, then he will claim prophethood, next he will claim to be God (Fath-ul-Bari, Vol. 13, P. 79). He will be one-eyed and (Kafir) or ( K F R ) will be inscribed on his forehead which every literate and illiterate Muslim shall be able to decipher. He will make his own paradise and hell. (Mishkat, P. 473). Seventy thousand Jews of Esfahan will accompany him. (Mishkat, P. 475). He will appear forth from the middle of Iraq and Syria and raise mischief right and left. For forty days, he will cause turmoil in the world. First day of the forty shall be equivalent to one year and second day to one month and the third day to one week and all the remaining days shall be of normal duration. He will travel fast like wind behind clouds. (Mishkat, P. 473). People out of fear will go into mountains.

    Allah will give Dajjal leeway and capacity to rouse people to rebellion. Before his appearance there will be three exacting years, in the first of which, rainfall will be less by one-third of the normal, leading to a shortfall of one-third in grain production; rains in the second year will be less by two-third, resulting in a shortfall of grain by two-third, till in the third year there will be no growth as not one drop of rain will fall. Beasts and cattle will die on account of severe famine and drought. On the other hand, rain will fall on lands of those persons who would have reposed their faith in Dajjal. Therefore, their lands shall have vegetation and cattle shall return from pastures with filled bellies; those having no faith in him will be indigent and their cattle destroyed. (Mishkat, P. 473-474)

    When Dajjal shall go over desolate places, he order the land to throw its treasures out; consequently treasures will emerge and accompany him. (Mishkat, P. 473). He will tell a bedouin, “If I bring your dead camels to life will you have faith in me?” He will reply, “Certainly!” Then, Satans, appearing as camels, shall come before him. He will think that is camels have really become alive. Thus, bound by spells, he will believe in Dajjal as God. Similarly he will tell a person, “If I bring your father and brother back to life, will you believe in me?” He will say, “Certainly”! Then he will go to the graves of his father and brother and there, Satans looking like his father and brother, will come out to him and say: “yes, this is God and do believe in him.” (Mishkat, P. 477). In this way, Dajjal will mislead humanity and only Allah’s chosen people will not be influenced by his deceit and trickery. Therefore the Prophet(SAW) was pleased to say in his will, that on hearing Dajjal’s appearance people should run away from him. (Mishkat, P. 475).

    At last Dajjal will turn towards Madinah Tayyibah but will not be able to enter Madinah and will encamp behind Uhad mountain. Then, angels of Allah, the Exalted, will turn his direction towards the country of Syria and having gone there, he will perish. (Mishkat, P. 475)

    At the time when Dajjal will be heading towards Syria, Hazrat Imam Mahdi will be busy fighting holy war with Christians on the front of Constantinople. Hearing that Dajjal had emerged, he would return to the country of Syria and will array his troops for a battle. At the time of ‘Fair’ Salat, when the congregation will be in a standing position before start of Prayers, Hazrat Isa will descend. Hazrat Mahdi will bring him forward to lead prayers and will himself go behind but Hazrat Isa will order him to lead. (Mishkat , P. 480). After finishing prayers, Hazrat Isa(AS) will go out to face Dajjal. He would run off on seeing Hazrat Isa and will start melting like lead. Hazrat Isa(AS) will overtake him at Bab-e-Lud (at present under Israeli possession) and kill him. (Mishkat, P. 473).

    Imam Tirmizi according to a narration of Hazrat Mujammi ibn Jariyah(RA) relates this holy saying of the holy Prophet(SAW) that “Hazrat Isa(AS) will kill Dajjal at ‘Bab-e-Lud’, and says:

    “Ahadith in this context have been related from Imran bin Husain, Naafey bin Aqbah, Abi Barzah, Huzaifah bin Usaid, Abi Hurairah, Kaisan, Usman bin Abil Aas, Jabir, Abi Umamah, Ibne Masood, Abdullah bin Umar, Samurah bin Jundab, Nawwas bin Samaan, Umar bin Auf, Huzaifah bin Yaman (that is from fifteen Companions or Sahabah). This Hadith is Sahih.” (Tirmizi, Vol. 2, P. 48).

    Above is the description of that creature called Dajjal whose killing has been foretold by the Prophet(SAW) and whose liquidator has to be conveyed the salaam of the holy Prophet(SAW). Can any one professing faith in the Prophet(SAW) declare that a Dajjal of such description has ever emerged in the world and has any Isa bin Mariam killed him? Only a person without faith in the holy Prophet(SAW) can waver.

    Now, judge what Mirza does. Because he had counterfeited Masih, the need arose to make one artificial Dajjal also. This he did by means of a master idea. He announced that the group of Christian Priests was Dajjal. Qadianis believe in this, but they know that Priests have been here for centuries. They were existing even before the Prophet(SAW). If they were Dajjal, wouldn’t have the Prophet(SAW) said so and do these Priests match the same description as the Prophet(SAW) had foretold about Dajjal. And if by any stretch of imagination, priests are Dajjals, did Mirza’s so-called messiahship kill them? Do they not exist today? No logic is needed to disprove this. If Mirza’s Dajjal has been killed, wherefrom is this multitude of Priests and wherefore is Christianity making progress?

    (f) General Conditions at the time of descent of Hazrat Masih(AS) The Prophet(SAW) gave a detailed account of the pattern of auspiciousness that would be prevailing in the times of Hazrat Isa(AS) For the sake of brevity, I quote one Hadith and I have selected this one because it has been translated into Urdu by Mirza Mahmud Ahmad Qadiani, son of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani, in his book Haqiqat-un-Nubuwwah on page 192. This is what Mirza Mahmud Ahmad has written. He quotes the Prophet(SAW):

    “Prophets are like brothers-in-affinity. Their mothers are different, but Deen is one. And I have the closest connection with Isa bin Mariam, because in between him and myself there is no prophet and he is about to descend. Therefore, when you see him, recognize him, that he is even-stature with red-white mixed complexion and wearing yellow clothes. Water shall be dropping from his head, although water will not have been shed over the head. He will break the ‘cross,’ kill the swine and will forsake ‘Jazia’ and will invite people to Islam. Lions and camels, leopards and cows, wolves and goats will graze about together. Children will play with snakes and they will not harm them. Isa bin Mariam will remain on earth for forty years and then he will die and Musalmans will offer his funeral prayer.”

    I ask you to read once again this Hadith which your own Chief of Jamaat, Mirza Mahmud wrote in his book. You see for yourself if this was the condition that prevailed when Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was alive? While the Prophet(SAW) is saying that wars will cease, yet reports from news-media indicate that only 24 days in this century have been such that human blood has not flowed on our terra firma. During Hazrat Isa’s(AS) time there will be such peace and tranquillity that not to speak of relations between two men, even the beasts will not harbor enmity against one another. But here among Mirza’s own Jamaat flames of enmity and hatred are blazing; what to say about others!

    7. Disinclination towards world and recourse to Allah

    At the end of the Hadith of Sahih Bukhari mentioned above, the Prophet(SAW) also said that riches shall start flowing like torrents in the times of Hazrat Isa(AS) to the extent that nobody will come forward to take them and one prostration in prayer will be deemed better than all the world can offer. (Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 1, P. 49). Reason will be that men will be disinclined towards accepting worldly riches, as Hazrat Isa’s descent will assure them that the Day of Reckoning is close at heels. They will abstain from sins. Secondly, Hazrat Isa’s guidance, transmuting vices into virtues, will tend to brighten human values of godliness. Thus, with the world having disgorged its fortunes, and indigence having disappeared, nobody will obviously be left to accept alms and zakat (obligatory charity payable on wealth, mistakenly known as “poor-due”). In this situation, Salat, as a means of attaining Divine proximity, will take precedence over worship through alms and charitable deeds. Therefore, one prostration on ground will carry more value than all that the world would offer. Contrarily, the scenario at Mirza’s time was one of greed, avidity and voluptuousness, so much so that vices, in all hues and colors, worsened in Mirza’s own Jamaat in those days and he lived through to see this horrendous spectacle.

    My Last Word

    Because you, my brother-in-humanity, have asked me to avoid incurring Allah’s displeasure and that of the Prophet(SAW) and have warned me, I reciprocate the same tidings to you and through you to your Organization and finally to your Mirza Tahir Ahmad coolly to think over Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s stance, in the light of the pronouncements of Allah and His Prophet(SAW). If you find that your Mirza Ghulam Ahmad truly fits into being called Masih, go ahead and accept him so, but if not, then reject him. Believing in him means disbelieving in Allah and His Prophet(SAW). Don’t do injustice to yourself. Now that fifteenth century has come, we should wait for the arrival of a new revivalist (Mojadded) by rejecting the claim of Mirza Sahib and confirming the pronouncements of our holy Prophet(SAW), because Mirza Ghulam Ahmad himself said:

    “If I manage to accomplish in support of Islam that work which the promised Masih and the promised Mahdi should do, then I am truthful and if nothing is done and I am dead, then let all be witness that I am a liar.

    Therefore, if I fail in the manifestation of this essential intent notwithstanding millions of tokens coming forth from me, then I am a Liar.” (Mirza Ghulam’s letter to Qazi Nazar Husa in Badr of 19th July, 1906)

    The last word of the last line of your grand sire in this exquisite piece of his writing is my answer to your letter. I couldn’t have written more specifically. Here it is right from the horse’s mouth.

    Remember, Mirza’s long windy predictions, his revelation claims ‘from the blue’, his poetic loquacity are hallucinations that descended upon this sick man, alas! Beware, your press conferences, media coverages, and periodical meetings, etc. are trash. These are rotten commodities that would not sell in the market of truth and rightfulness. Don’t believe in Mirza’s cir*****locutions, concoctions, cir*****ventions, and ‘millions of tokens’, which prove Mirza a straight liar. Call him a liar, as he himself wants you to call him in his above quotation. He does not meet the standard set forth by the holy Prophet(SAW), so he is not the “Promised Masih”, nor is it justified to call him “Promised Masih”.

    In the end, I invite you to believe in the holy saying of the Prophet(SAW) and leave Mirza’s brain-child. Allah shall grant you great recompense on this act of yours, but if you turn away, remember, no sooner the pangs of death start than the truth will unravel you.

    With all my prayers,

    Muhammad Yusuf Lughianvi

  11. A collection of 400 Question / Answer sessions for non-Ahmadi Muslim brothers and sisters
    A lot of issues have been raised in the above comment about the concept of second coming of Jesus and here we will tackle those. The first thing that the non-Ahmadi Muslim brothers and sisters have to remember is that the Holy Prophet Muhammad, may peace be on him, said that when Mahdi comes, even if you have to crawl over the glaciers then do so and say my Salam to him. So, please do some home work and research on this issue. Firstly, here I link the collection of Question / Answer sessions by the previous international leader of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad:

    http://www.alislam.org/v/c-17.html

    Several of these sessions cover the issue at hand. Additionally, we will link more specific materials below:

    And now part II regarding Dajjal:

    Hadith: When you hear the advent of the Mahdi then enter into his fold even if you have to walk on snow by crawling and creeping to reach him. (Kanzul Umaal; also footnotes to Musnad Ahmad Bin Hanbal).

  12. Life or death of Jesus of Nazareth
    Hussain has started his comment about the coming of Messiah with the following verse of the Holy Quran:

    “And verily he (Jesus) shall be a sign of the Hour (of judgment), so doubt not in it.” (Holy Quran, 43:61)

    There are numerous Hadith about the second coming, but, the all important issue is that is the Jesus of Israel going to come as a two thousand or more years old, God forbid, demented man or is some one going to come in his image. Therefore, I invite all non-Ahmadi Muslim brothers and sisters to investigate the all important issue of life or death of Jesus of Nazareth:

  13. of course anyone is Muslims until he/she claims to be a Muslim. On one needs an approval from the morally corrupt Mullah of these days. this is absolutely one’s personal matter.
    It is God that will decide for them if they were or not..
    Besides, Who knows all of these so called Fatwa bearers maybe sitting out of Jannah?

  14. Mr Hussain has an inquiring mind to seek the truth. We hope he will continue his research by going through the resources attached above by Dr Zia with an open mind. We also hope that Mr Hussain will combine his efforts with his sincere prayers for seeking truth; whatever that truth may be. Prayer is an internal and personal dual (Mobahila) and if done with sincerity and passion will be fruitful in finding the truth.

    Mr Hussain’s point that only an Ummati prophet who will not bring a new Sharia or Book or religion can come to revive Islam is very valid

    My question is why Jesus (peace be upon him) should come back as an Ummati prophet to revive the noblest religion of Islam. Isn’t that an insult to Islam and doesn’t it undermine Islam’s validity and dignity as opposed to Christianity.
    Again when Muslims believe that Jesus (peace be upon him) is sitting somewhere in the sky (which in itself sounds so illogical) then we are actually supplementing Christian teachings.

    All of us understand well how religion has always been exploited for political gains. We have been made fool to believe such corrupted teachings only to the disadvantage and disgrace of Islam.

    False prophets have appeared and disappeared as written by Mr Hussain. Can we name one person in the history of religions who claimed to be a false prophet and pitted against all the resistance and opposition from all-around survived the wrath of God for over a century and continued to progress beyond speculations

    When I was a child there used to be more of an argument about coming of Imam Mahdi in the 14th Century. With the passage of 14th century that discussion has died down and swing has shifted towards false prophet hood. With more and more people using their prayers, logic and understanding of Quranic references in the real context Insha Allah this too will be sorted out.

  15. In such religious discussion, it would be better if we could take each point, one by one, otherwise, we will just loose ourselves in discussion, without having valuable results. I would suggest that we discuss the point raised by brother Hussain as well as AQ Farhat, about raising of Jesus PBUH to the sky.

    Opponents of Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH asked Him, and it is mentioned in Holy Quran,

    “Or you have a house of gold or you ascend into the sky. And we will not believe in your ascension until you bring down to us a book we may read.” Say, “Exalted is my Lord! I am only human sent as a messenger?” Surah Bani Israel.

    From this verse it is obvious that no human can go to sky. Brother Hussain, your interpretation means that Allah was capable for Jesus PBUH but His powers Nauzubillah became paralyzed when Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH was required to go to sky.

    I thank to Allah that I do not insult my Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH by saying that He was Syed-ul-Mursileen, (for whom Muslims claim that whole universe was created), but was unable and failed to go to sky, yet Jesus PBUH was successful.

  16. Dear Shah Sb,

    AOA

    Thank you very much for interesting and knowlidgeable posting.
    May Almighty bless you more wisdom

  17. Tayyab Mansoor: It is obvious to me that the members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama’at have the Prophet Mohammad (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) in much higher esteem than the rest of the Muslims. If any one should ascend to heaven without going through death we would have surely expected it to have been the Master of All Prophets! (Mohammad, s.a.w.s.).

  18. I ask all those who refutes Shaikh Muhammed Yusuf Ludhianvi’s comments above whether they believe Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani was Mahdi, Masih and Ummati Nabi? Rest can be discussed later upon yr confirmation.

  19. According to the Sayings of Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH that,”There is no Mahdi except Isa.” (Ibn Maja, Bab Shiddatuz Zaman) as well as in the book of Hadith – Muslim, the Holy Prophet PBUH, himself calls Jesus Christ four times a “prophet of Allah (Nabi-Ullah) in his second coming”, all Ahmadis believe that Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani Alaihissalam is the same Mahdi, Masih and of course Ummati Nabi, as prophesized by Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH.

  20. Tayyab Mansoor: Did your Mirza GAQ meet all the requirements as mentioned in the Hadiths of SAW?
    I do not see any peace in this world. He does not meet the standard set forth by the holy Prophet(SAW), so he is not the “Promised Masih”, nor is it justified to call him “Promised Masih”.

    • Dear Mr. Hussain,

      Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani Alaihissalam met all the standards as mentioned in Sayings of Holy Prophet Muhammad BPUH. I give you just one example here. The Holy Prophet PBUH said,

      “For our Mahdi there shall be two signs which have never happened for anyone else since the creation of the heavens and the earth; At his advent there shall occur an eclipse of the moon in the first of its appointed nights and an eclipse of the sun on the middle one of its appointed dates and both will occur in the month of Ramazan.” (Dar Qutni, p. 188).

      No human can either predict or fulfill this prophecy, until unless He is from Allah. More than one thousand years ago, with very limited scientific knowledge of that age, it would be impossible to prophesize something like that. Yet, this is Glory of Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH, that when Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadian Alaihissalam, according to the Command of Allah, claimed to be the Promised Messiah of the time in 1889, Allah fulfilled this prophecy for him in 1894, exactly as mentioned in the Saying of Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH.

      This one saying of Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH is more than enough to satisfy someone, if he/she is really in search of truth. This Great Prophecy is a shining example of Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH’s Truth.

      (I do not see) – is a dangerous word, if you just see the above-mentioned fulfilled Saying of Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH. I think you understand that. Please do not take this matter lightly, it is not a joke that just to reject The Promised Messiah Alaihissalam, you reject the Saying of Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH.

    • Dear Mr. Hussain:

      Signs of Lunar and Solar Eclipses are as obvious as 1 + 1 = 2, but only persons guided by Allah Almighty can see and accept the truth. No matter how wise you consider yourself, you cannot see and accept the truth except you are guided by Allah. Who could be more truthful than the Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH? No one, we both admit that, yet abujahal could not see and accept the truth of Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH, similarly as the opponents of Promised Messiah Alaihissalam cannot see and accept the fulfilled prophecy of Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH about Lunar and Solar eclipses in the month of Ramadhan.

  21. By Kalma Tayyab and by Kalma Shihadah Hadhrat Mirza Gholam Ahmad Qadiani a. s. met all the criteria mentioned in the Hadith and he is true Promised Messiah a. s.
    You have every Right to believe in him or do not believe in him, but who has given you the right to decide who is Muslim and who is not by passing Allah and His Messenger (His Rasool)
    Jews rejected their Messiah Jesus a. s. saying the same thing about Jesus that he does not met all the criteria in their hadiths. Like wise the Bible Old Testament as well as New Testament has many prophesies about coming of Holy Prophet Mohammad p b u h and still both Jews and Christens say that he does not meat all the criteria mentioned in the prophesies. Allah’s wisdom is not limited to the criteria set by Jews or Christens or by you or by any other Mullah, Allah is the Great. For further knowledge Please browse and read http://www.alislam.org
    Wassalam,
    Zarif Ahmad

  22. Astaghfirullah, Astaghfirullah, Astaghfirullah
    I will advice all qadiani’s to recite the Holy Kalima to get themselves back into Islam.

  23. @ Tariq Altaf: And probably you don’t know that for reciting the same Kalima Ahmadis are punished by law.

  24. An agreed Hadees ( Men Calla Laillah Fo Ho Wa Muslim). Being the believers of Kalma Tayabba no one can say Ahmadies are Non-Muslim. If any body says Non Muslim to a Muslim, He him-self become a Non-Muslim.( An other Hadees ).
    All the World and a very long period of One Hundred Thirty years ( A century plus thirty years) witnessed that within Muslim Ummah no other Immam Al-Mehdi or Messiah-Maud ( Messiah-Muhammadi ) came on its prescribed time( start of Choudhvin Sadi Hijri) with proofs, other than One and only The Head of Jammat-E-Ahmaddiya ,Mirza Ghulam Ahmad ( A.S ). So time gone already and no option left for waiting. Now only option is to accept or deny the one and only claimer with proofs.Holly Qur’an says that the believers get all benefits and the deniers will be in total loss in this life and the life after. Jammat-E-Ahmadiyya is the only Jammat within Umah having the pure Islamic system of Khilafat-Ala-Min-haj-E-Nabowa.So thanks of Al-Mighty God ( The Al-Mighty Allah) that Jammat-E-Ahmeddiya is the true Muslim Jammat all others are not on the right path and disappointed.Allah Al-Mighty give them vision to accept the Truth. Aameen.

  25. Interesting scholarly discussion from both sides. Good no body is abusing each other. Such exchanges should be encouraged between Muslims.

  26. I have read the writings of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. if he were a prophet he would not use filthy language and words of abuse for his opponents. He would not challenge them to mubahillas. in contrast Jesus said love your enemies and pray for them. But MGA curses and hurls abuses at them.
    By your fruits you shall know them. What has HMGA done except dividing the Community of Islam and weakening them? Why do you Ahmadies build your own mosques? In New Delhi such a large City you have one small mosque. No madrasa. No Hospital. No Cemetery. You collect Chanda to enrich a single person who lives in London and I have been told he travels in a Rolls Royce. Why he did not send any money to the poor Jamaat in Delhi to build a madrasa for the small children or a Hospital or a cemetery for those who die?

    Your Imam asks for Chanda for all those who make the mistake of going to your mosque. No cemetery. No madrasa. No Social service for the old and the sick. No training Institute for the young to teach them English, or Typing, or Driving to help them find a job.

    -Christopher Michael Emmanuel,
    New Delhi, India.

  27. First I will reply to Christopher Michael Emmanuel sahib’s objections.
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    C.M. Emmanuel:I have read the writings of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. if he were a prophet he would not use filthy language and words of abuse for his opponents.

    Myself: It appears that Emmauel sahib is a christian. No matter. Welcome. You should know that padres (church fathers) were abusing the prophet Muhammad and his wives all the time. Books full of abuse were being published by the church. That was quite an anti christ work. Jesus christ did not teach any one to abuse. So it is duty of emmanuel shaib to expalin why the church leaders were abusing our prophet and his wives and our religion. They are doing it even today in one form or the other.

    Ahmadis are not abusing the christians or Jesus Christ. Emmanuel sahib, please give answer to my question about church abusing our dear leaders.

    C.M. Emmanuel: He would not challenge them to mubahillas.

    Myself: When matters cannot be decided according to peaceful logical dialogue then Mubahilah becomes necessary. The opponents of Ahmadis and church leaders were calling for Mubahilah. So there was no way to backout from Mubahilah.

    Just to remind Emmanuel sahib, who is a Muslim (ex) or a Christian, a big delegation of the Christians from Najran had come to Madinah to discuss things with our beloved prophet Muhammad. The topic was the godhead of Jesus. The prophet tried to convince the delegation that Jesus was not god at all. He was just a human being and beloved of God. It was all proved to them from the Bible too. But the group did not agree.

    Then our Prophet s.a.w.s. challenged that group of Christains to come out in the open with kith and kin and let us all invite the Curse of Allah upon the liars. That was the most famous first Mubahilah between Muslims and the Christians at Madinah. The Christians did not dare to come out to meet the challenge.

    Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad qadiani a.s. is a true representative of the prophet Muhammad s.a.w.s. Why do you think that he will not use that duel(spiritual challenge) to bring out the truth??

    C.M. Emmanuel: in contrast Jesus said love your enemies and pray for them. But MGA curses and hurls abuses at them.

    My bad self: Jesus was good and we know very well what he said and did. We know it more than christians. But we see that christians do not know and do not act on the advice of Jesus a.s. The example I gave you of the church fathers abusing our dear leaders,,,, was that an example of Love thy enemy?? It was anti Christ like work.

    We Ahmadis are not enemies of the church and Christians. We want to go along with them in peaceful manner. But they are burning our sacred book (The Quran). The Christians are making cartoons of our prophet Muhammad s.a.w.s. Is that their love?? We did not burn any bible. Why church Padre (Jones in USA) is doing that?

    Please do not think that my words are harsh. You asked for some explanation. It is being given here.

    C.M. Emmanuel: By your fruits you shall know them.

    Myself: Yes, Jesus taught that and we have similar even better verse in the Quran where a good deed (meaningful word) is likened to a good tree which has branches in the sky and its roots are deep in the ground and it gives its fruit all the time. There is no autumn season for that good tree.

    We see maximum corruption in Chrstians of western countries, i.e. sex before marriage and christians applying for divorce in courts against the Church teachings, there are so many things. The home life (family life) of christians is quite upset. Where are the fruits?

    C.M. Emmanuel: What has HMGA done except dividing the Community of Islam and weakening them?

    Myself: He put a check to the onslought of bad teachings of the church thereby saved many of mankind from falling into hell. He brought out the right teachings of islam and that of Jesus a.s. He checked the advance of the anti-Christ (dajjal).

    C.M. Emmanuel: Why do you Ahmadies build your own mosques? In New Delhi such a large City you have one small mosque. No madrasa. No Hospital. No Cemetery. You collect Chanda to enrich a single person who lives in London and I have been told he travels in a Rolls Royce. Why he did not send any money to the poor Jamaat in Delhi to build a madrasa for the small children or a Hospital or a cemetery for those who die?

    Myself: It is multiple facet bundle of questions. Please know that the helpers of Dajjal from amongst so-called Muslims kicked out the Ahmadis from their mosques. There was no way except to Ahmadis build their own places of worship. You are disturbed that mosque in Delhi is small. Ahmadis have the largest mosque in western Europe(bait ul Futuh) in London. So be happy.
    You should not be disturbed by our chanda system. We have seen the purse being passed in churches for collection of money. That is not bad.

    Our Rolls Royce also hurts you. Sorry we cannot help you in that matter. We want our dear leader to live well. Today (4-5-2013), he was well received at Los Angeles airport and escorted to our mosque in Chino Hills, California with a big police escort (30 riders). And our own cars numbered more than 30 in that Qafilah (entourage). Al hamdu Lillah.

    C.M. Emmanuel:Your Imam asks for Chanda for all those who make the mistake of going to your mosque. No cemetery. No madrasa. No Social service for the old and the sick. No training Institute for the young to teach them English, or Typing, or Driving to help them find a job.

    Myself: Dear Eman, Thank you for pointing out our shortcomings. We will Insha attend to those points of welfare. It is good of you to remind and point out our defficiencies, defects. Many ex-Ahmadis also do that. They help us in reminding such things. Very kind of them too.

  28. I had replied to C.M. Emannual sahib. I hope the answers were satisfactory.
    There was a good approach from Mr. M. Hussain too. I may say a few things.

    1. We believe that Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani sahib (a.s.) is a prophet and messenger. He is a true messenger. He is carrying the message of the prophet Muhammad s.a.w.s. There is no other message.

    2. According to Quran, Hazrat Isa a.s. has died a natural death as he was promised by Allah (in verse 3:55/56). In a very difficult time, when Isa a.s. prayed to Allah to save him, Allah replied and told Isa a.s. and promised four things.

    The very first promise was a peaceful death. The next promise was to raise Isa a.s. in ranks close to Allah. And so on (See same verse please).

    3. The prophet Muhammad s.a.w.s. in a very Important hadith said, “hazrat Jibraeel a.s. used to revive (repeat) all the revealed portions of the Quran, once in every month of Ramadhan, every year.
    This year, he has revived it twice during Ramadhan. There was no prophet who did not attain half the age of his predecessor (prophet).
    Isa lived for 120 years and I hope to go at the head of sixty years.”

    This means, every prophet achieved at least half the age of his predecessor. Isa a.s. lived for 120 years….. It is clear that he was put on the cross at age of 33 years. Where did he live the rest of 87 years?? Not in the sky, surely.
    He lived somewhere on earth and passed away peacefully (was never killed). He is no more alive.

    4. Another hadith states “If Musa and Isa become alive today, they will not have any recourse except to follow in my footsteps.”
    The meaning is that even if Moses a.s. and Jesus a.s. became alive, they will have no way except to follow in the footsteps of the prophet Muhammad s.a.w.s. meaning that they will have to follow the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad s.a.w.s.
    It also means, as a side issue, that They are not alive now. Moses a.s. and Jesus a.s. both have died.

    5. I have to go back and look up few points that M.Hussain sahib had raised. And I may come back again, Insha Allah.
    Presently, I have to say that Jama’at Islami has been raising the slogan “Pakistan kaa matlab kiyaa? La Ilaha Illa Allah.”

    The Jama’at islami is going aganst its own slogan by not recognising Ahmadis as part of Pakistan, because Ahmadis recite the Kalimah ‘laa ilaaha Illa Allah, Muhammad arr Rasool Allah.’

    Muhammad Hussain sahib, please remember that some names had been mentioned by Ludhianavi sahib who had claimed to be mahdi etc. Can you find any one who claimed to be the mahdi and Messiah at the same time? that is, claimed both titles? There is none. So it means they were not true mahdis.

    Every maulvi was believing that the sun of the 14th century will not set but Imam mahdi will appear in the world. But 14th century has passed and an Imam appeared at the head of 14th century. Why not to believe in him please?

    6. There is an important Hadith which is stated by the prophet Muhammad s.a.w.s with an oath of Allah (as follows). He was addressing the companions.:

    “Ibne Maryam will surely descend amongst you, as a just judge. He will break the cross and kill the swine…” (This Hadith is in Bukhari and Muslim (both books of Hadith) and it is with an oath of Allah.
    In that Hadith, breaking the cross and killing the swine are not literal matters. They are symbolic only, not real.
    The word YOU, i.e. descend amongst YOU, is also symbolic because Ibne Maryam did not descend amongst the Sahabah. YOU means all Muslims. So everything in that important hadith is metaphorical (symbolic). Even Ibne Maryam is not real Ibne Maryam. That name is also symbolic. It does not mean that Isa son of Maryam will come back and appear in the world again.

    7. Now I state a Hadith Qudsi, quite important:
    The Prophet Muhammad s.a.w.s. said:
    “Allah spoke to Moses and said ‘If any one will not believe in AHMAD, I will throw him into hell”.
    Moses asked “Who is Ahmad?” Allah said, “He is my beloved whose name i have written on my Arsh.”
    Moses said, “O Allah, please make me a prophet (Nabi) in his Ummah.”
    Allah said, “His prophet will be from his own Ummah.”
    Then Moses said, “Make me an Ummatee of Ahmad.”
    Allah said, “You cannot be his Ummatee too because you have appeared before him. And I will make both of join in last day….in Darul amaal. “(The exact word I have forgotten for the last place of meeting.)

    This is a long hadith. Allah used to speak to Moses a.s. According to this Hadith, if Moses a.s. cannot be an Ummatee of the prophet Muhammad s.a.w.s., then how can his Ummatee (Isa a.s.) become an Ummatee of the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s.)??? Not possible at all.
    The Hadith is believed to be mentioned in Tibrani. I can provide (later) exact reference of the Hadith, Insha Allah. (Wassalam)

  29. To Ghulam Sarwar, you said earlier: 1. We believe that Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani sahib (a.s.) is a prophet and messenger. He is a true messenger. He is carrying the message of the prophet Muhammad s.a.w.s. There is no other message.

    But according to the Quran, Prophet Muhammad WAS the last prophet and God will not make any one else a prophet after him. This is EXACTLY what is stated in the Quran! So may i know what kind of Quran are you using?

  30. Dear JC, there is no mention in the Quran of Muhammad s.a.w.s. being the last prophet. Can you please show me where it is written?

    The word used in Quran is “Khaatam an Nabiyyeen”. The Khaatam means a seal. Muhammad s.a.w.s. is a seal of the prophets. Khaatam does not mean “last”. The word in Arabic for “last” is “Aakhir”.
    Aakhir means last, aakhar means other. Allah did not use the word “Aakhirun Nabiyyeen”. i.e. the last of the prophets. When Allah did not use that word, we should also not do it.
    As I said, there is a word in Arabic for the last.
    And Allah did not use that word.

    It is a complicated subject. If you wish, I will write more in detail about it, Insha Allah. Let me know please.

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