Miss Maryam Khola Hübsch, daughter of late Mr Hydatullah Hübsch, who is quite active in the field of spreading the message of Islam Ahmadiyyat was specially picked, as an Islam expert, from 4 millions Muslims residing in Germany to express her view point about “Circumcision” on one of the largest TV channels of Germany “ARD” . She in a very amicable way expressed her view point. Next day 7 leading national news papers of Germany termed her logical arguments the most convincing . A day after German Government was forced to announce its legal stance on the issue which is likely to clear the way in favour of Muslims and Jews. The video is in German language however Br Rafiq can do a favour by editing the summary of relevant points in English.
Editor’s note: We need someone to transcript video into English in the comments section.
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Congratulations to Ms Khola Hübsch for this honour. Indeed a great pride to be pikced up from millions of Muslims residing in Germany.
Alhamdolillah. What a pleasant, good news of another glorious honor for an Ahmadi daughter of Garman Jamaat-e-Ahmadiyya, Miss Maryam Khola Hubsch sahiba for her selection as an Islamic expert. All these sort of things,must have pleased immensely her gifted father, late Mr. Hydatullah Hubsch sahib, yes! that great German scholar, poet philosopher, speaker, translator, writer and what not. He must have been very, very pleased and happy over this national honor for his dear daughter. we pray that this gifted daughter of Islam-e-Ahmadiyyat may achieve still more glorified successes of life in days to come, Insha Allah.
Great..great honor…congratulations and mabrook.
It is a great Respect an Ahmady women was invited in a German Talk Show to discuss on a topic of Circumcision.
Miss Khaula has spoken and represented Islam with a laud and clearly explanation the necessity of Circumcision for new born baby boy. She spoke that it is necessary to get hygienically and physiologically benefits of life. Many times the audiences in talk show appricated the discussiion of Miss Khaula.
Eine Grosse Ehere, rechtischen erklaerungen bei Frau Khaula, ueber Beshneidunge, Sie hat im allen Islamishe aspekten gesprochen Dass finde ich toll ueber die vertretung des Islams bei Frau Khula,das war im ARD Fernsehen kanal.Sie erklaert Im glauben und sauberkeit zu behalten des koerpers, all jungen mussen beschneiden wurden sondern im anfang des lebens. Es ist klar da gibt schmerzen fuer zwei tagen aber nach her ganzes laben hat viele vorteile.
Rafique Ahmad Rana Frankfurt /M
Aslamoalaikum WWKThu. Dear Mr. Thanks for sending this very precious vedio, It’s really a great honour to the great daughter of Islam. Mashallah. The young brave lady Hubsch who follows the foot steps of her late great father Brother Hidayetullah Hubsch, who also was a great defender of Islam. Here I can say that the father of this young brave lady Hubsch, that she must be proud of her father. In my eyes she has been doing nice work to serve the cause of Islam, and for that master piece work she is nobbled with a title as real daughter of Islam. May almighty give her more knowledge and wisdom in all aspects of Great Islam. Aameen.
Waslam Rajput.
Alhamdolillah. very many congratulation to Miss Khola Hubsch sahiba. May Allah give you more strength and courage to present Islam before the world. Amin
This is a small example of the glorious teachings of true Islam, which always propagate the right thing for mankind.
Alhumdo Lillah, Congratulations to Miss Khola Hubsch. Yes, I translation or foot note will help a lot.
Below is a link to Miss Maryam Khola Hübsch blog. In it she talks about her debate on the talk show.
With the help of Google translation I was able to read her blog in English. It doesn’t seem like it does justice to what she wrote in Dutch but it gives us some idea. Its pretty good.
http://www.khola.de/blog/die-doppelmoral-der-beschneidungsgegner/
Alhamdulillah kathilah.
Ms Tahira, to me, what Mr Mohamed Ali wrote suffice to justify the view point of Ms Khola. She is free to discuss at length in her blog but what she uttered during the TV debate and summarized by Mr Ali, was applauded by the audience also. The main aim to post this news items was to inform the world readers of MT that an ahmadi Muslim lady has been honoured to present millions of Muslim living in Germany.
Many Congratulations and prayers to my dear GRAND DAUGHTER!
This is Great Successful for Islam.Allah Huakbar Congratulation Miss Maryam Khola Hubsch Sahiba.Also many many thanks Presenter.We are humble request to anybody translat in English.Jazakumullah
Masha’Allh. She has made us proud of her. Like father like daughter. I am very pleased to read this. Mashallah again. God Bless her. Amen
In English please!However, Tahira, your comment, you said its in Dutch as well? Where please as I live in the Netherlands and can read it in Dutch as well.
Ahmadiyyat Zindadad!
Tahira meant ‘Deutsch’ = German, not Dutch.
How circumcision is helping Tenzanian Africans read this news item.
Research has shown that when scaled up rapidly in areas with high HIV prevalence, male circumcision is an effective HIV-prevention strategy, reducing heterosexual men’s risk of acquiring HIV by approximately 60 per cent, and also reducing a woman’s risk of coming into contact with a HIV positive man.
Used in combination with other HIV prevention measures, including condoms, partner reduction and abstinence, circumcision is an important addition to men’s HIV-prevention options. In addition to lowering the risk of becoming infected with HIV, male circumcision improves hygiene, reduces the risk of contracting sexually transmitted infections (STIs), and lowers the risk of penile cancer in men and cervical cancer among female partners, according to Dr Wanga.
Assalaamo alaikum,
Summary of the debate:
The main question of the debate is: Should parents be free in their decision to circumcise their (newborn)boys (according to the freedom of religion) or is circumcision merely a kind of assault and therefore it should be forbidden for parents to circumcise their young boys ,or rather,the boys should be allowed to decide later on to take the decision if they want to be ciscumcised or not.
The different point of views are as followed:
Lawyer: Circumcision is an assault and has nothing to do with freedom of religion; It does not have any proven benefits; Circumcised boys are traumatized; For the muslim community circumcision is not necessary at an young age therefore the boys should be able to take the decision later on by themselves; as far as the jews community is concerned (according to the jews belieg circumcision has to be done 7 days after the baby is born) there should be another solution (but what kind of?)
Rabbi: If circumcision is legally forbidden, then this would mark the end of the jews belief in germany. There is no other solution for the jews belief, they jave to circumcise their newborn boys as a sign of entering the jews belief (community); Without circumcision their belief is not completed.
Psychologist (in the middle of the left side): Circumcised boys are traumatized, circumcised man are/can be “intact” (whatever it means)
Muslim Woman: Circumcision in the muslim community is a symbol of entering into the patriarchic system of muslim.
Mrs. Hübsch: As mentioned above, the brings into the discussion facts ( of well-known and well-respected and organizations) and not theories or presumptions; There can be so many reasons for the traumatization of young boys; circumcision is medically harmless
I hope this summary helps a little bit.
wassalaam
Thanks Ms Kafi Shaheen. medical point already covered by Mr Mohamed Ali. Shall suffice to understand the topic.
its really agreat honour for ayoung Ahmadi lady who happens to be the daughter of a renouned father. May God almighty be with her in future.
I think her logic … and knowledge of the precise logic she presents is far more important than the claps of the audience. Thereby a transcript of the entire show would be nice.
Your demand probably can be met by Ms Khola herself. Shall try to contact her for the same.
In the name of Allah The Gracious ever Merciful.
MashaAllah!Good done Khola! I believe that such efforts are by the grace of Allmighty Allah because Hazurs (ATBA) prayers successfull. MashaAllah, AlhamdoLillah!
Ms Khola was contacted to prepare a summary of discussion in English. Due to her busy schedule she deputed the responsibility to Ms Rida Inam, an English language Student. An excellent coverage in English by her is reproduced for the benefit of Englsih Speaking readers.
“In June 2012 a highly controversial verdict was announced by the regional court of Cologne, declaring that the performance of a circumcision, without any medical inducement whatsoever, constituted a physical assault and consequently a violation of the fundamental right of physical integrity of the child in question. What began as a lawsuit against one doctor – resulting in placing blame on the parents who decided to have their 4-year old son circumcised according to Muslim tradition – led to a serious consideration of banning the religiously motivated circumcision of under-age children, entirely. Religious communities, on the other hand, are appalled by this verdict rating circumcision as a felony, not to mention their dismay at the possibility of this being passed as a law. This media-hyped discussion found its way into the political talk show Anne Will of a Public service broadcast. The eponymous moderator of the show introduced the topic by breaking down the controversy into two fundamental rights which seem to clash here. The first is the child’s right of physical integrity and the second is the parent’s right of religious freedom.
A short video worked as a setting of the scene of the discourse in the German public and Anne Will asked Holm Putzke to begin by responding to quotes of different representatives in German politics who expressed great disappointment and dissent, regarding the verdict. Putzke is a legal scholar who tried to assert a law against circumcision of under-aged children, and argued that this is a question of a child’s welfare and that it should be weighed rationally, as opposed to the emotional approach of the religious point of view. He believes that the child’s right of physical integrity prevails over the parent’s right because it, eventually, ensures the same child’s right of religious freedom, by providing him the option of choosing for himself when he is old enough. Based on the premise that the operation is not as harmless as often claimed, he was supported by Angelika Kallwass, a psycho-analyst, who hosts a TV-Show. She is convinced that the religious circumcision has traumatized many a man and should not be performed on babies or children. She believes it constitutes a physical assault because it is not unambiguously in the best interest of the child. She also expressed her aversion against the ritual’s function in sustaining the patriarchal order in the communities by celebrating male genitals.
On the other side of the argument were Rabbi Yitshak Ehrenberg from Berlin, and Khola Maryam Hübsch, a journalist in a hijab. Rabbi Ehrenberg refused to discuss whether or not circumcision is advisable because there will never be enough evidence to prove or refute one answer. He merely explained how this is God’s will. He illustrated the ramifications of this commandment and the symbolism of it, concluding that it is God’s blessing. Since God has given us the ability to make decisions he made us imperfect leaving this one thing for us to do, and by deciding to do it, we show that we wish to live as people and spiritual beings, not as animals. This is how he explained it and it is one of the points where the communication became scarce because, to their opponents, ‘God’s will’ meant nothing but a doctrine of archaic traditions which are asserted by force. Khola Hübsch tried to clarify that circumcision is a minor operation of minimal risk. She expressed her discontent about the repeated implications that this was a barbaric act, which it cannot be because otherwise the World Health Organization (WHO) and the UN Child Rights Committee would certainly not recommend it as a preventive method against infections and diseases. Hübsch illustrated that one third of all men in the world are circumcised. In the USA it is as much as 70 per cent of all men, most of whom did not have it done for religious, but for medical, hygienic and even aesthetic reasons. It also benefits women because when the mate is circumcised it reduces the woman’s risk of developing cervical cancer.
Though these arguments appear plausible enough, they did not reach Putzke or Kallwass, because they simply refused to believe in the many advantages of it, much like Rabbi Ehrenberg refused to believe the stories of all the traumatized men that Kallwass and Putzke swore to know of. Putzke does not think the advantages relevant because they have no efficacy for the baby that has to undergo the operation because a baby has no sexuality. Hübsch explained that it will benefit him when he is older and the operation is much easier when the baby is small, while Putzke insisted on dissecting the baby from the man he is to become and asserting that these two must be treated differently. Ironically, Putzke was feeling very generous, because instead of demanding a ban of circumcisions for religious reasons altogether, he was merely suggesting a delay till the child reaches legal age. Here, he was under the grave misconception that a delay is possible in Islam where there is no stipulation as to when this ritual has to be performed. Hübsch explained to him, that the circumcision has also hygienic reasons and is important for the ritual ablutions before prayers. The Rabbi also repeatedly declared that one cannot consider himself a Jew, as long as he is not circumcised. It is the groundwork of this faith and the followers of this religion simply cannot do without it for more than eight days after birth.
It hardly seems necessary to include Seyran Ates’ circular argumentation and often even pointless comments, in this summary. She began by reminding everyone of the century that we are living in for she believes that every idea that is old must be questioned. She pretended as though the circumcision constituting an assault were an undisputed fact that everyone must recognize because a German court of law said so. Eventually, the right of Germany to speak in this matter became a dramatic point of discussion. Kallwass became very defensive and Putzke declared that the history of Germany was irrelevant. Rabbi Ehrenberg, however, drew parallels of how the Nazis had tried to eliminate Jewry by killing its people back then, and now Germany is trying to eliminate Jewry by trying to kill the faith, because the fact is that one cannot be a Jew without circumcision. Hence, if a ban is passed, Jews will have to leave this country. When Khola Hübsch was asked by Mrs. Will what she thinks about Germany’s entitlement to interfere in religious matters, she picked a contemporary vantage point, referring to the bans that were passed in Europe in the past decade. She explained that bans, which seem the favorite measure here, are no solution. A solution would be to work out educational or social interventions which must be implemented from within the communities. A lot is already being done in that respect. She concluded that this interference constitutes a severe intercession into the religious freedom of parents, faced with, in comparison, a minimal operation on a baby’s body.
One might complain that there was not enough time for everyone to speak uninterrupted, but the greater deficiency lay in the attention to the line of reasoning. Now, if this were due to a natural ethnocentrism, then the speakers could be forgiven. However, that was not the case, which is evident for the following reasons: The advocates for the secular perspective were trying to trivialize their negative attitude towards the ritual, by repeatedly stating they had no intention of banning it entirely. They kept stressing that they merely wanted to talk and come up with a mutual solution that would make the peculiarities of religious minorities compatible with the ideas of the secular world view – which is decidedly considered superior. And whilst expressing their desire to exchange ideas they never for a moment stopped to listen.
The defensive attitude was so rigid that they showed a pattern of simply bouncing off solid arguments, by either making ridiculously unconvincing distinctions or by cutting off the other mid-sentence to give them an etiquette lesson. An example for the former measure is Putzke’s response to Hübsch’s listing other life experiences which indubitably traumatize the child, such as divorce. Putzke merely responded by drawing attention to the difference that a child does not lose any bodily fluids during those traumatic experiences. This was followed by the latter deflective strategy, when Hübsch told Putzke that he was obsessing over one piece of skin, while there are so many occurrences in the upbringing of a child which are more significantly and severly traumatizing while in this case it is only speculation. She could not finish her point because Mrs. Kallwass interrupted her. At this point, Anne Will had to intervene and without having reached a presentable outcome concluded the discussion. Rabbi Ehrenberg was given the last word, in which he once again declared that circumcision is the ground principle of the Jewish faith and that Germany cannot pretend to know everything better. That is why he and his fellow believer will maintain the tradition as before.”