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Thamud or the Nabataeans were known for hewing houses in mountains. Madain Salih and Petra are ruins of their civilization.
Madain Salih (Dedan) is in Saudi Arabia and is known in the European literature as Hegra derived from Al-Hijr. It was once inhabited by the Thamud or the Nabataeans. Petra (located in Jordan) being the capital of the Nabataean kingdom. The Nabataeans are of Arab origin that became rich by their monopoly on the trade of incense and spice in particular between the East and the Roman, Greek and Egyptian empires. Madain Saleh, is in north of Madinah and has about 130 dwellings and tombs that extend over some 13 kilometers.
Petra in Jordan has been declared to be one of the world wonders in 2007.
The prophet Salih was sent to the Thamud. The Holy Quran says, “The Thamud rejected the Messengers. When their brother Salih said to them: Will you not be righteous! I am sent to you as a trusty Messenger.” (Al Quran 26:142-144)
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The Holy Quran says about the Thamud:
And to Thamud We (Allah) sent their brother Salih. He said, ‘O my people, worship Allah; you have no other deity but Him. Indeed, there has come to you a clear evidence from your Lord — this she-camel of Allah, a Sign for you. So leave her that she may feed in Allah’s earth, and do her no harm, lest a painful punishment seize you. And remember the time when He made you inheritors of His favors after ‘Ad, and assigned you an abode in the land; you build palaces in its plains, and you hew the mountains into houses. Remember, therefore, the favors of Allah and commit not iniquity in the earth, causing disorder.’ The chief men of his people who were arrogant said to those who were reckoned weak — those among them who believed — ‘Do you know for certain that Salih is one sent by his Lord?’ They answered, ‘Surely, we believe in that with which he has been sent.’ Those who were arrogant said, ‘Indeed, we do disbelieve in that in which you believe.’ (Al Quran 7:74-77)
At a more abstract level, Petra’s history allows us to contemplate the vulnerability of even the most successful and technologically assured society. Petra existed over a period of time equivalent to that between today and the mediaeval period in Europe. Like inhabitants of our modern world, the people of Petra would not have considered the possibility that their city would eventually be abandoned and their nation scattered. The disastrous effects of an earthquake on Petra’s buildings and water system could not have been calculated. The sudden rise of a religion among their southern neighbors, and its consequences for changing trade patterns throughout the known world, was impossible to predict.Archaeology’s most valuable contribution may be its demonstration of the transience of cities and civilizations — the realization that even the most successful eventually find themselves vulnerable to catastrophes that cannot be foreseen. Contemplating the ruin of Petra may well be an opportunity for us all to further cherish the present moment in our own ways of life.[1]
The case of those who take helpers besides Allah is like the case of the spider, who builds itself a house, but the frailest of all structures is the house of the spider, if they but knew. Surely, Allah knows whatever they call upon beside Him. He is the Mighty, the Wise. These are illustrations that We set forth for people, but only those who possess knowledge comprehend them. Allah has created the heavens and the earth for a purpose. In that surely is a Sign for the believers. (Al Quran 29:42-45)&Does it not lead those, who have inherited the earth in succession to its former inhabitants, to realize that if We please, We can smite them also for their sins and seal up their hearts, so that they would not listen to words of guidance. Such were the towns some of whose news We have related to thee. And verily the Messengers came to them with clear Signs. But they would not believe what they had rejected before. Thus does Allah seal up the hearts of the disbelievers. (Al Quran 7:101-102)
Allah has saved these ruins for us so that we can draw lessons from them. There is a tendency for humans to get involved with the apparent and present and ignore hidden and distant. So, by saving these ruins, Allah has intended a profound lesson for us, by demonstrating the temporary nature of purely worldly pursuits. As is said in the Holy Quran, “They know only the outer part of the life of this world, and of the Hereafter they are utterly unmindful.” (Al Quran 30:8)
According to Encyclopedia Britannica:
Thamud are an ancient Arabia, tribe or group of tribes that seem to have been prominent from about the 4th century BC to the first half of the 7th century AD. Although the Thamud probably originated in southern Arabia, a large group apparently moved northward at an early date, traditionally settling on the slopes of Mount Athlab. Recent archaeological work has revealed numerous Thamudic rock writings and pictures not only on Mount Athlab but also throughout central Arabia.
The Qur’an mentions the Thamud as examples of the transitoriness of worldly power. Traditionally, the Thamud were warned by the prophet Salih to worship Allah, but the Thamud stubbornly refused and as a result were annihilated either by a thunderbolt or by an earthquake. Actually, they may have been destroyed by one of the many volcanic outbreaks that have formed the far-reaching Arabian lava fields.[2]
THE PROPHET SALIH, MADAIN SALIH OR HEGRA
But they rejected Shuaib, and a violent calamity seized them and they were left prostrate on the ground in their homes. The same happened to ‘Ad and Thamud, and their fate are discernible by you by looking at their dwelling places. Satan made their ways appear good to them, and thereby turned them away from the straight path, for all that they were intelligent people. (Al Quran 29:38-39)
In other words the ruins of ‘Ad and Thamud are discernible by the posterity. There is a separate knol about the ruins of the people of ‘Ad in southern Arabia. The ruins of the Thamud are Madain Salih and Petra.
Madain Salih or Dedan
Madain Salih is known in the European literature as Hegra derived from Al-Hijr. Madain Salih are the ruins of the people of the prophet Salih, may peace be on him. In a separate knol, I have reviewed that the term Al Hijr, may be more applicable to Petra than Madain Salih, in a knol that is completely devoted to Petra. Madain Salih was once inhabited by the Thamud or the Nabataeans. Petra (located in Jordan) being the capital of the Nabataean kingdom. The Nabataeans are of Arab origin that became rich by their monopoly on the trade of incense and spice in particular between the East and the Roman, Greek and Egyptian empires. Madain Saleh has about 130 dwellings and tombs that extend over some 13 kilometers. Thamud or the Nabataeans were known for hewing houses in mountains.
The archaeological site Madain Saleh, is one of the best known archaeological sites in Saudi Arabia, located near Ula (previously known as Dedan). It is 400 km north of Madinah in northwestern Arabia and was located on the incense trade route.
What was the timeline for the development and eventual destruction of Madain Salih or Dedan? Encyclopedia Britannica offers certain details:
In the 5th century BC, the oasis of Dedan (al-‘Ula) was the capital of a short-lived Dedanite kingdom; then, from the 4th century to the 1st century BC, it was the capital of the kingdom of Lihyan, which for nearly two centuries was home to a colony of Minaean tradesmen from South Arabia. Dedan and the neighbouring site of Al-Hijr (Hegra’) were occupied from the north in about 25 BC by the Nabataean kingdom. The Nabataeans were originally a nomadic tribe from the land of Madian in the northern Hejaz who settled in North Arabia, the Negev, and southern Jordan as far north as the Dead Sea, from which they extracted bitumen. Their capital, Petra, north of the Gulf of Aqaba, is historically attested from the beginning of the 4th century BC. In spite of their Arab origin, they used an Aramaic dialect as their written language. At the time of their greatest wealth and power, under Aretas IV (8 BC–40 AD), their territory extended from Al-Hijr in the south, northward past Petra, along the northern route east of the Jordan River as far as the Hawran region south of Damascus. The Nabataean territory—except for its southern part—was incorporated into the Roman Provincia Arabia in AD 106. The last dated Nabataean text dates from AD 356.[4]
Madain Salih
Photo gallery of Madain Salih
This gallery is provided by Zubeyr Kureemun:
http://zubeyr-kureemun.com/SaudiArabia/MadainSaleh.htm
http://zubeyr-kureemun.com/SaudiArabia/PhotoGalleryOfMadainSaleh.htm
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A Hadith about Madain Salih
It is mentioned in the commentary of the Holy Quran, titled Ibn Kathir:
“Al-Hijr through which the Messenger of Allah passed on his way to Tabuk. He covered his head and urged his camel to go faster, saying to his Companions:
«لَا تَدْخُلُوا بُيُوتَ الْقَوْمِ الْمُعَذَّبِينَ إِلَّا أَنْ تَكُونُوا بَاكِينَ، فَإِنَّ لَمْ تَبْكُوا فَتَبَاكُوا خَشْيَةَ أَنْ يُصِيبَكُمْ مَا أَصَابَهُم»
(Do not enter the dwellings of those who were punished unless you are weeping, and if you do not weep then make yourself weep out of fear that perhaps what struck them may also strike you.)”[5] This Hadith in Ibn Kathir has been quoted from the most reputed collection of Hadith Sahih Bokhari.[6]
Narrated by ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar and quoted in Bukhari, under the book of the prophets, “The people landed at the land of Thamud called Al-Hijr along with Allah’s Apostle and they took water from its well for drinking and kneading the dough with it as well. (When Allah’s Apostle heard about it) he ordered them to pour out the water they had taken from its wells and feed the camels with the dough, and ordered them to take water from the well whence the she-camel (of Prophet Salih) used to drink.”[7]
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Petra: Could it be Al Hijr as mentioned in the Holy Quran
Petra declined rapidly under Roman rule, in large part due to the revision of sea-based trade routes. In 363 an earthquake destroyed many buildings, and crippled the vital water management system. The ruins of Petra were an object of curiosity in the Middle Ages and were visited by Sultan Baibars of Egypt towards the end of the 13th century. The first European to describe them was Johann Ludwig Burckhardt in 1812.
Generally the term Al Hijr or Hegra is applied to the Madain Salih. Inhabitants of both, Petra and Madain Salih were part of the Thamud. The prophet Salih belonged to Madain Salih as is also mentioned in a Hadith. But, the term Al Hijr may be more applicable to Petra than Madain Salih. Whereas, Madain Salih was on an established route, that is why the Holy Prophet Muhammad, may peace be on him happened to pass by the place, Al Hijr as described by the Holy Quran is not on a main route. See the pictures of narrow entrance called ‘Siq,’ of Petra, in the Knol linked here. The Holy Quran states, as it talks about the people of Lot and then the people of the Wood and the people of the Hijr:
“Then the chastisement seized them (the people of Lot) at sunrise. We turned the city upside down, and We rained upon them stones of clay. Surely, in this there are Signs for people of intelligence. The city lies along a well known route. Surely, in this is a Sign for those who believe. The people of the Wood were also wrong doers; and We chastised them also. Both these cities lie along an easily identifiable way. The people of the Hijr also rejected the Messengers as liars. We gave them Our Signs too, but they turned away from them. They used to hew out houses in the mountains, dwelling therein in security. The chastisement seized them in the morning; and all that they had worked at availed them nothing.” (Al Quran 15:74-85)
In case of the people of Hijr there is no mention of ‘well known route;’ additionally, there is mention of ‘dwelling therein in security,’ possibly alluding to the hidden entrance of Petra or Siq.
http://knol.google.com/k/zia-shah/petra-could-it-be-al-hijr-as-mentioned/1qhnnhcumbuyp/190#
Additional verses about the Thamud in the Holy Quran
The Thamud (people) rejected the messengers.
Behold, their brother Salih said to them: “Will you not fear (Allah)?
I am to you a messenger worthy of all trust.
So fear Allah, and obey me.
No reward do I ask of you for it: my reward is only from the Lord of the Worlds.
Will ye be left secure, in (the enjoyment of) all that ye have here?
Gardens and Springs,
And corn-fields and date-palms with spathes near breaking (with the weight of fruit)?
And ye carve houses out of (rocky) mountains with great skill.
But fear Allah and obey me;
And follow not the bidding of those who are extravagant,
Who make mischief in the land, and mend not (their ways).”
They said: “Thou art only one of those bewitched!
Thou art no more than a mortal like us: then bring us a Sign, if thou tellest the truth!”
He said: “Here is a she-camel: she has a right of watering, and ye have a right of watering, (severally) on a day appointed.
Touch her not with harm, lest the Penalty of a Great Day seize you.”
But they ham-strung her: then did they become full of regrets.
So the punishment overtook them. In that verily there is a Sign, but most of these would not believe.
And surely thy Lord — He is the Mighty, the Merciful.
(Al Quran 26:142-160)
The word and attribute, ‘Merciful,’ here implies that God punishes humans as a last resort only, after they have demonstrated that they are beyond reformation!
I appreciate your comments Zia H. Shah
Comparing and contrasting Petra and Madain Salih (Dedan)
According to Peter Parr:
“Seen in an Arabian perspective the settlement of the once-nomadic Nabataeans is just one more example of a process which had been characteristic of the region over the previous centuries; Petra was as normal an Arabian phenomenon as was Tayma and Dedan. But it also obviously became something very different from Tayma and Dedan, and this for two reasons. The first is its location. Petra lies on the very edge of Arabia,just below the escarpment of the limestone plateau which the Arab geographers called the ‘brow of Syria.’ As already mentioned, the escarpment is fertile compared with the Hejaz, and well suited to agriculture, and probably well before the beginning of the Christian Era the Nabataeans had established farming villages all over what is now southern Jordan and the Negev, repopulating the abandoned kingdom of Edom. They were thus no longer dependent upon the incense trade or the products of pastoralism;economically they had moved away from their Arabian background and become Levantine. And the second reason relates to time. Between the time when Tayma and Dedan were settled and Petra was settled, the Near East had become Hellenized. The Taymanites, the Dedanites, and the Lihyanites had absorbed and adopted foreign fashions, but they were the fashions of Mesopotamia and south Arabia. When, in the first century BC, the Nabataeans looked outside the confines of Petra for inspiration for the material culture that they now desired and could afford, it was above all in the Hellenized world that they found what they needed.”
Petra Rediscovered: Lost city of Nabataeans. Glen Markoe, General Editor. Harry N Abrams, Inc., Publishers, in association with the Cincinnati Art Museum, 2003. Page 35.
Photo gallery of Madain Salih
Madain Saleh, also known as al-Hijr, is one of the best known archaeological sites in Saudi Arabia, located near Ula (previously known as Dedan), some 400 kilometers north of Madina. Madain Saleh was once inhabited by the Nabataeans some 2000 years ago, Petra (located in Jordan) being the capital of the Nabataean kingdom. The Nabataeans are of Arab origin who became rich by their monopoly on the trade of incense and spice in particular between the East and the Roman, Greek and Egyptian empires. Madain Saleh has about 130 dwellings and tombs that extend over some 13 kilometers. This gallery is provided by Zubeyr Kureemun:
http://zubeyr-kureemun.com/SaudiArabia/MadainSaleh.htm
http://zubeyr-kureemun.com/SaudiArabia/PhotoGalleryOfMadainSaleh.htm
A video:
The Nabateans are the Arameans ,whose language and culture was Aramaic. When Thamud perished the remaining sons of Aram were known as Arman , they are the Nabateans.
When Thamud in turn was destroyed, the remaining sons of Iram were called Arman — they are Nabateans
from Prophets and Patriarchs)))
The origin of the Nabateans remains obscure, but they were Aramaic speakers, and the term “Nabatean” was the Arabic name for an Aramean of Syria and Iraq.
The story of Hud is mentioned several times in the Quran. To avoid repetition, we quote just one passage here (from the Quran chapter 46, verses 21-26):
Mention Hud, one of ‘Ad’s own brethren. Behold, he warned his people beside the winding sand-tracts. But there have been warners before him and after him, saying: “Worship none other than Allah. Truly I fear for you the chastisement of a mighty Day.”}}}}}}}}}}}}
They said, “Have you come in order to turn us away from our gods? Then bring upon us the calamity with which you threaten us, if you are telling the truth!”
He said, “The knowledge of when it will come is only with Allah. I proclaim to you the mission on which I have been sent, but I see that you are a people in ignorance.”
Then, when they saw a cloud advancing towards their valleys, they said: “This cloud will give us rain!” No, it is the calamity you were asking to be hastened! A wind wherein is a grievous chastisement!
Everything will it destroy by the command of its Lord! Then by the morning, nothing was to be seen but the ruins of their houses. Thus do We recompense those given to sin.
The life of the Prophet Hud is also described in other passages of the Quran: 7:65-72, 11:50-60, and 26:123-140. The eleventh chapter of the Quran is named after him.
MANY years passed by after the torment that befell the people of ‘Ad, and other generations came to succeed them. Among these were the Thamud people who were the successors of the believers who were saved with Prophet Hud. Once again, the people of Thamud, deviated from the right path and started to worship idols, and once again, Allah the Most Merciful decided to send them a prophet from amongst themselves to guide them back to the right path. This prophet was Prophet Saleh(SWS).
The people of Thamud were Arab tribes that lived in the area between Madinah and Syria. Their land was made of rocky mountains and spacious fertile plains. They lived in huge houses that they carved out of the huge rocks in the mountains – and the remains of these houses are still visible in northwest Saudi Arabia. The Thamud people were arrogant and they oppressed the poor among them. The rich exploited the plains and water resources and seldom did they permit others to equally profit from the bounty of Allah. Prophet Saleh, whom they respected very much for he was the most righteous among them, was sent to them as a warner. He said to them: “O my people! Worship Allah, you have no other god but Him,”
On d/m/y 13/08/13 I dreamt the Assyrians are Adites successors of the Thamud
On m/d/y 10/01/13 I dreamt the Thamud mixed with the Assyrians
Historian and scholar, Ibn Khaldun also mentions the Thamud several times in his great universal history al-Kitābu l-ʻibār (“Book of Evidence”), but only in passing, seldom giving much information.
Some examples from the Muqaddimah (“Introduction”):
This can be illustrated by what happened among the nations. When the royal authority of ‘Ad was wiped out, their brethren, the Thamud, took over. They were succeeded, in turn, by their brethren, the Amalekites. The Amalekites were succeeded by their brethren, the Himyar. The Himyar were succeeded by their brethren, the Tubba’s, who belonged to the Himyar. They, likewise, were succeeded, by the Adhwa’. Then, the Mudar came to power.
—Ibn Khaldun, Muqaddimah Chapter II Bedouin civilization, savage nations and tribes and their conditions of life, including several basic and explanatory statements, 21 As long as a nation retains its group feeling, royal authority that disappears in one branch will, of necessity, pass to some other branch of the same nation ( note amalekites are the Imliq) “
According to Arab historians such as Ibn Khaldun and Ali ibn al-Athir, Amalek is a name given to the Amorites and the Canaanites. on 02/17/13 i dreamt all the imliq are from Ad
((((((According to Arab historians such as Ibn Khaldun and Ali ibn al-Athir, Amalek is a name given to the Amorites and the Canaaniteson 02/17/13 i dreamt all the imliq are from Ad)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))The Muslim historian Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari (c. 915) recounts a tradition that the wife of Lud was named Shakbah, daughter of Japheth, and that she bore him “Faris, Jurjan, and the races of Faris”. He further asserts that Lud was the progenitor of not only the Persians, but also the Amalekites and Canaanites, and all the peoples of the East, Oman, Hejaz, Syria, Egypt, and Bahrein.wikipedia (( as I said the Imliq are Amorites and they mixed with Hamitic Canaanites)
.on 08/15/12 I dreamt there is no such thing as the 9amalekites the Imliq are from the Ad
I have also dreamt of the people of Lud in saudia arabia and i saw nur(light)… On 23/11/11 i dreamt the amlaq(imliq) were the giant people
On 07/23/13 I dreamt of North Syria area of Hatay and I see Thaqifi people who are from Hud AS and I see them and Banu Haashim standing together wearing white
On 20/03/13 I dreamt that the Thamud are from Nabi HUD AS
on 20/10/13 I read this from {{{{{{{{Wikipedia “The title and description given by Photius to Thamud indicates that they had a status similar to Qedarites who have been identified as Arabs”}}}}}
According to Classical Arabic sources, it’s agreed upon that the only remaining group of the native people of Thamud are the tribe of Banu Thaqif which inhabited the city of Taif south of Mecca.Wikipedia
Nabi Hud is from Ad bin Aws bin Aram , he is Arami
02/11m/14 I dreamt the ARAMEANS ARE THE CHALDEANS
ON 23/09/13 I DREAMT OF THE PROPHET P H SAYING THE KURDS ARE FROM THE CHALDEANS , POINTING TO HIMSELF HE SAID THEY ARE MY PEOPLE.
NABI IBRAHIM IS CHALDEAN
The Yemen, al-Bahrayn, Oman, and the Jazirah have long been in Arab possession, but for thousands of years, the rule of these areas has belonged to different (Arab) nations in succession. They also founded cities and towns (there) and promoted the development of sedentary culture and luxury to the highest degree. Among such nations were the ‘Ad and the Thamud, the Amalekites and the Himyar after them, the Tubbas, and the other South Arabian rulers (Adhwa) . ((((((There was a long period of royal authority and sedentary culture. The coloring of (sedentary culture) established itself firmly. The crafts became abundant and firmly rooted. They were not wiped out simultaneously with (each ruling) dynasty, as we have stated. ((((They have remained and have always renewed themselves down to this time, and they have become the specialty of that area. )))Such (special Yemenite) crafts are embroidered fabrics, striped cloth, and finely woven garments and silks.
—Muqaddimah Chapter V [9]
ON 19/08/14 I DREAMT THE PROPHET PBH IS ARAMI
ON 18/09/14 I DREAMT THE DESCENDANTS OF HUD PBH WERE GENERALS
According to Classical Arabic sources, it’s agreed upon that the(( only remaining group of the native people of Thamud are the tribe of Banu Thaqif))) which inhabited the city of Taif south of Mecca.Wikipedia
This makes the Thaqif Awsi people , Arami (irami) people.
You see the the Assyrians are the Imliq either
Royalty among Thamud are from Hud pbh or all of them it makes imliq Aws people. Also before Adites perished ,they were mixing with people it would make sense that thamud are the 2nd Ad thamud mixed with imliq the Assyrians are people of Aws and the royalty among Thamud mixed with royalty among Assyrians. Iraqi arabs and syrians
Age of the Assyrian Empire (2000 – 605 BC)
The Rise and Fall of the Assyrian Empire in Mesopotamia
Go to “History of Iraq” Interactive Map
Early Assyrian EmpireBeginning of Assyria (~ 2000 BC): The ancient Sumerian city of Assur came under Assyrian control by about 2000 BC, serving as the capital of the Assyrian Kingdom.
Amorites Conquer Southern Mesopotamia (~ 2000 BC): Amorites (a Semitic tribe) gain control over Southern Mesopotamia (blue), ending independent Sumerian rule in the region.
(Timeline Continued Below)
Assyria Conquered by Amorites (~ 1800 BC): Conquered by Amorites, another Semitic people. The Amorites constituted the ruling class, while the Assyrians comprised the general population, retaining their distinct identity.
Amorite DynastyBabylon Captured by Hammurabi of Amorites (1728 BC): The famed Babylonian king was an Amorite, who gained control of Babylon, initiating the First Babylonian Dynasty. Hammurabi would create the world’s first written civil law.
Central Mesopotamia Conquered by Hammurabi/Amorites (by 1715 BC): Hammurabi conquers the surrounding city-states (gray shading), extending his rule beyond Babylon.
Elam Conquered by Hammurabi/Amorites (1702 BC): The Iranian kingdom of Elam invaded Babylon in an attempt to expand its kingdom. The Babylonians defeated the invasion, and in turn invaded and conquered Elam (red).
Babylonian Rule of Assyria (~ 1700 BC): The Semitic-ruled Babylonian Empire (a competing Amorite dynasty) conquered the Amorite-ruled Assyrian territory after conquering Southern Mesopotamia in 1700 BC.
Southern Mesopotamia Conquered by Hammurabi/Amorites(1699 BC): Hammurabi proceeds to conquer Larsa as well, upset that the Amorite-ruled kingdom (blue) failed to live up to their promise in joining Babylon against the Elamites.
Northern Mesopotamia Conquered by Hammurabi/Amorites (by 1690 BC): Riding the momentum gained in its conquests to the south, Hammurabi directs his armies to the north, quickly submitting Assyrian territories to his rule. The further north traveled from Babylon, the less secure its rule, but Hammurabi extracted tribute from settlements as far north as central Anatolia (Turkey).((((the amorites are the Imliq
both the Imliq and akkadians carry the blessing it is not only the imliq
on 01/Tuesday/2015 i dreamt the imliq are from Nabi Saleh pbh and Akkadians are from Nabi Hud pbh
on 10/28/2012 i dreamt Nabi Hud is from Arfakhshaad and I also something to do with Nabi Saleh pbt although i dreamt this Nabi Hud is from tribe of Ad he is Awsi but there is no contradiction as nothing is mentioned about his mother
on 12d/11m/2014 i dreamt i was told the Imliq and Akkadians carried the blessings
also in Dec 2014 with date I dreamt the descendants of Hud and Saleh PBT going East like toward Afghanistan India area
on 01/12/15 I dreamt the Edomites are the Chaldeans and that the Kurds and Indians are from Chaldeans (In India has nothing to do with color whether fair or an actual brown color skin))
((((30/08/12 I dreamt the Greeks & Kurds are same & that the Kurds are from Edomites.))))) On 09/30/12 I dreamt the Kurds and Indians (Indians) are from Hittite royalty)))))))
On 08/26/13 I dreamt the Kurds in Jordan mixing with Nabateans I saw northern iraq.)))))
Arameans came out after the actual tribe of Thamud perished , Nabi Saalih and family remained Arameans (chaldeans) mixed with Assyrians.
After their expulsion from Mesopotamia, the Amorites of Syria came under the domination of first the Hittite Empire and from the 14th century BC, the Middle Assyrian Empire. They appear to have been displaced or absorbed by a new wave of semi nomadic West Semitic speaking Semites, the (((Arameans,))) from circa 1200 BC onwards, and thus disappeared from the pages of history. From this period the region they had inhabited became known as Aram (Aramea) Wikipedia
07/07/12i dreamt the Arameans absorbed the amorites
NABI ISMAEL MARRIED WOMAN OF JURHUM THUS CAME ADNANI ARABS ADNANI MIXED INTO NABATEANS (ARAMEANS)
In a hadith reported in Sahih Muslim, Muhammad mentions that ‘Isa (Jesus) resembles Urwah ibn Mas’ud.[2] closest in appearance. He was very white with reddish cheeks,tall with dark black hair and eyes.wikipedia
The companion who most resembles ‘Eesaa (Jesus), may Allaah exalt hi mention, is’Urwah Ibn Mas’ood . The evidence is the narration reported by Imaams Muslimand At-Tirmithi that Jaabir narrated that the Prophet said: “I was shown the Prophets in front of me, and Moosaa resembles the men of the tribe of Shanu’ah, and I saw ‘Eesaa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), may Allaah exalt their mention, and the person who resembles him most is ‘Urwah Ibn Mas’ood, and I saw Ibraaheem and the person who resembles him most is your companion- referring to himself and I saw Jibreel (the angel Gabriel), and the person who resembles him most is Dihyah.”
I dreamt on m/d/y 10/05/12 the Thamud went into India and went into southern India
Gerrha came to existence because Aramaeans (Chaldaeans) moved to its location and built up the city as per their own needs as merchants; this was quite typical of the Aramaeans. They used to setup new cities in diverse countries; as example, they founded Kaine (”new”) city in Upper Egypt at a strategic location on the road that linked the Nile Valley with the Red Sea coast. Kaine survived down to our times as Qena, 60 km north of Luxor.
As the Aramaeans undertook and totally controlled the trade with Yemenites across the peninsula and other parts of the Asiatic landmass, they were the primary partners of the Sabaeans, the strongest Yemenite kingdom in land. In coordination with the Sabaeans, and in full understanding of their mutual, commercial — economic needs, the Aramaeans founded Gerrha. In fact, the city location should serve the needs of the Sabaean — Aramaean trade and the diffusion of East African and Yemenite merchandises to Mesopotamia, Iran, Caucasus, and Central Asia.
More specifically, the location of Gerrha would serve the Sabaean — Aramaean interests by being at the end of a road and at the beginning of a bifurcation. This means that products for Mesopotamia, Anatolia, Syria, Armenia, and Caucasus would be dispatched toward the West; on the other hand, merchandises for Central Asia and India would be shipped toward the North and the East. Starting from the land of the Sabaeans and advancing to the North, one immediately understands that the bifurcation point (Gerrha) could not be located in any other land except the territory of the Emirates.
If Gerrha was located in the area of today’s Al Ehsa province of Saudi Arabia, its location would not serve the Sabaean — Aramaean interests, as it would expose the East African and Yemenite merchandises that were directed for Central Asia to Arsacid Parthian taxes and customs.
Worse, if Gerrha was located in the area of today’s Al Ehsa province of Saudi Arabia, there would not be any need for a city to be built there at all! Why building a city so close to the southern part of Mesopotamia (today’s Iraq and Kuwait), since the road from North Yemen would soon reach the confines of Mesopotamia? Caravans transporting goods from Yemen would not need to stop in any city if they had already reached the territory of Al Ehsa province of today’s Saudi Arabia; they would simply advance and soon reach their destination.
So, to first search for a possible location of an ancient city located on the trade network between East and West like Gerrha, one must understand that it should be pretty far from Mesopotamia in order to have a reason to exist.
Assyrians would be from Thamud as they mixed Arameans mixed with amorite (imliq) Arameans get this all people of aws
The people of ‘Ad were tall in stature and were skillful masons. God had given them abundance of wealth, cattle, children and gardens. They had attained a considerable degree of civilization. Among them flourished the famous king Shaddad. He built a magnificent palace near ‘Aden. It was known as the Garden of Iram. He was a mighty king and his conquests extended to Syria, Iraq and the frontier of Sub- continent of Indo-Pakistan.
My personal experience on 05/02/12 I am from Bani and I am a descendant of Prophet Hud and then I said Saalih ,then I saw faces of the Iraqi Kurds and Indians (India)
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Chaldea
SYNONYMS OR RELATED TERMS: Chaldaea; Chaldaeans
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DEFINITION: A land in southern Babylonia (modern southern Iraq) frequently mentioned in the Old Testament and first described by Assyrian king Ashurnasirpal II (reigned 884/883-859 BC). Its more important rulers were Nabopolassar, Nebuchadnezzar, and Nabonidus, who ruled an empire from the Persian Gulf between the Arabian desert and the Euphrates delta. Nabopolassar in 625 became king of Babylon and inaugurated a Chaldean dynasty that lasted until the Persian invasion of 539 BC. The prestige of his successors, Nebuchadrezzar II (reigned 605-562) and Nabonidus (reigned 556-539), was such that Chaldean” became synonymous with “Babylonian” and Chaldea replaced Assyria as the main power in the Near East. “Chaldean” also was used by several ancient authors to denote the priests and other persons educated in the classical Babylonian astronomy and astrology and to the Aramaean tribe named for Kaldu which first settled in this area in the 10th century BC.”
Tayma
SYNONYMS OR RELATED TERMS: Tayma’
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DEFINITION: Iron Age city in Hejaz, Arabia. Nabonidus (reigned 555-539 BC) was the last king of the Neo-Babylonian empire and lived there for 10 years. There is a series of large walled compounds and a small mound in the center of town. There is a cultic area and carved scenes with an iconography derived from the Mesopotamian world. Stelae with Aramaic inscriptions of the 1st millennium BC have been found. As early as the 6th century BC, the Chaldean kings of Babylon maintained Tayma as a summer capital.
Correction My personal experience on 05/02/12 I am from Bani Ad and I am a descendant of Prophet Hud and then I said Saalih ,then I saw faces of the Iraqi Kurds and Indians (India)
Bani Ad are people of Aws.
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The story of Thamud seems to make no sense to me because from what I understand, Saleh preceded Mohammed by centuries, meaning that there was no “Allah” or Islam at that time. If there is any truth in this story at all, it raises the question as to what religion Saleh actually was. Even more interesting is the fact that this is a classic Abrahamic tale of a god that prohibits idolatry and yet there is no mention of it in the OT. Why is that?
What I would like to know is what caused the demise of the people of Thamud. The date when all this transpired seems hard to pin down (Saleh lived well before Mohammed, yet it is said that there were a group of ppl who identified as being from Thamud up until near Mohammed’s time). From what I know, there is no evidence of a catastrophe of any type and I don’t believe the story of Saleh, so historically what do we know about what happened to these people?
That’s what really happend to the people of thamud. That is the revealed history that we found in our holy Quran.
Matt what do you mean ? Islam means peace and submission to the Creator all Prophet PBT practiced monotheism so your comment does not make sense, Prophet Hud and Saleh PBT both believed in One GOD what God do you think Adam,Seth,Enoch and Noah PBT were worshiping ?
It has been some time but I can answer you the Arami tribe ad conquered Iraq and Syria mixing with the Akkadians and Amorites(Imliq) and the actual tribe of Ad perished ,Prophet Hud was with the Thamud who are from him, they mixed with the Assyrians and actual tribe of Thamud perished it was the Imliq(Amorites) who are from Prophet Saleh they are the original Hebrews they and the Akkadians(from Hud) formed the Nabateans who are the Arameans who are the Chaldeans who are the Edomites(Idumeans) ,they are Aws and Athir in origin making them Arami and they had element of Arphaxad because people of Arphaxad were dwelling in the West during the time of Ad and Thamud . the formation of the Nabateans did not come until after the actual tribe of Thamud perished
Volume 1, Parts 1.11.4
He (Ibn Sa`d) said: `Ubayd Allah Ibn Musa al-`Absi informed us; he said; Isra’il informed us on the authority of Abu Ishàq, he on the authority of ‘Amr Ibn Maymun, he on the authority of `Abd Allah:Verily he recited “(The tribes of) `Ad and Thamud and those after them; none save Allah knoweth them.” (Al-Qur’an; 14:9) The genealogists are liars. http://www.soebratie.nl/religie/hadith/IbnSad.html
I need to make a correction on this 02/11m/14 I dreamt the ARAMEANS ARE THE CHALDEANS
it should have been On 02/11d/14 i dreamt the Arameans are the Chaldeans
Assalamualaikum how can we understand verse 28:58? It tells that the lands of perished nations have not been inhabited after them except briefly or a short time. The Lihyanites and Nabataeans on the other hand inherited the land and housings of the Thamud. The Nabataeans specifically took over the land for two centuries so how can this be reconciled?
What could be implied by the story of she-camel and Thamud, the nation of Prophet Salih A.S?