In his Friday Sermon on 27th September 2013, the Khalifa of Islam said:
“Muslim organisations have put up signboards all over the place (in Malaysia) which say that ‘Qadianis’ are not Muslims or words to that effect. Certainly when passing by Ahmadis see these [boards] and their sentiments are hurt and seeing these words all over the place upsets them. However, Ahmadis are always patient and do not take the law in their hand. Allah the Exalted knows we are Muslims and we know that we are better Muslims than the others; we know that our hearts are full of love of Allah the Exalted and the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him). Indeed, the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) said not to call one who professes ‘La ilaha illalla Muhammadur Rasoolullah’ (There is none worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger) a Kafir (disbeliever) because calling one a Kafir will revert back on the person saying it. In fact he said that one who only says ‘La ilaha illah’ is also a Muslim. And the Holy Qur’an even states not to tell a person who says Salaam to you that he is not a believer. Such is the teaching of the Holy Qur’an whereas these people have made their own Islam. For the sake of their vested interests and personal desires they have made the commandments of Allah the Exalted a laughing stock in the eyes of others.
I met Sadr Jama’at of Malaysia and he said that although the signboards are there, people do not care about them anymore. Decent people outside the Jama’at have also realised that these expressions stem from invested interests of the Maulwis that they are making Islam a source of derision in the eyes of the outsiders, moulding it contrary to the teaching of the Holy Qur’an and according to their own interests. However, true Islam constitutes the commandments of Allah the Exalted and the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him). Some time ago a Christian priest in Malaysia said that it is alright for Christians to use the term Allah because He is also their Allah. The so-called Muslims raised a hue and cry over this and the matter was taken to the court. Unfortunately the court decided that only Muslims can use the term Allah and no one else has the right to say that Allah belongs to them. So, these worldly people restricted Allah’s name in the name of Allah! They deem that only the so-called Muslims have ownership of Allah. The ignorant Maulwis may say things like these but it is astonishing to note that educated decision-making people are bringing Islam in disrepute with such decisions. Allah the Exalted states: ‘All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds.’ (1:2) that is, He is the Lord of everyone, whether Muslim or non-Muslim. He also states: ‘Allah enlarges His provisions for whomsoever He pleases…’ (13:27) Is someone else providing for Christians, Jews or the others? In light of their [the court’s] decision it is an unforgivable sin if a Christian says that Allah is providing for him. Allah the Exalted has had it stated in the Holy Qur’an through the earlier Prophets that: ‘Allah, your Lord, and the Lord of your forefathers of old?’ (37:127) Thus, how can Muslims have ownership of Allah? Indeed, Allah the Exalted states about the Christians about whom the Malaysian court passed a verdict that only Muslims can use the term Allah: ‘Say, ‘O People of the Book! come to a word equal between us and you — that we worship none but Allah…’ (3:65) That is, the commonality/common value between Muslims and Christians is the Being of Allah the Exalted. Just as a Muslim has the right to say Allah, so does a Christian and anyone else. I have given these examples because some Ahmadis ask me regarding this matter. The Holy Qur’an is replete with examples where Allah the Exalted has called Himself Allah of everyone. No individual, religion, no sect, no government and no court of law has the ownership of Allah. Allah the Exalted is not a trademark; He is Lord of all the worlds.
Today only Ahmadis can tell the world about the teaching of true Islam and the Being and station of Allah the Exalted and the teaching of the Holy Qur’an. Non-Ahmadis have reduced Islam to a source of derision for the others. It is for the Ahmadis of Malaysia to wisely tell their countrymen about the teaching of Islam and ask them why are they bringing the beautiful teaching of Islam in disrepute by following the so-called Ulema (religious scholars). May Allah the Exalted remove their veils of ignorance.”
Read the summary of the rest of the sermon or hear it in Urdu
Categories: Ahmadiyyat: True Islam, Anti Islam act by Muslims, Asia, ISLAM
no other name has a more superior authority over all creation than the name Allah(swt) which encompasses all and everything created , even in English the word has All and Ahh like a breath of fresh air. La Illaha Illa Allah , Muhammad RasoollAllah. There’s no other deity worthy of worship other than Allaaahhh and Muhammad(pbuh) is the the messenger of Alllaaahhh.
It was a foolish step to ban the use of the word Allah by non Muslims in Malaysia. It only shows an ignorant and arrogant Muslim mindset in Malaysia.
well if that’s the case, then y does da founder of ahmadism mirza ghulam say that whoever disbelieves in him; is not a muslim?
clear contradiction
Dear Parvez, your reply is not well understood and it is clearly off topic. The topic is about the use of the word Allah for God in Malaysia by non-Muslims.
near the start of the post, there is a hadith abt not calling muslims as non muslims. so its not completely off the topic.
ghulam sarwar if u r an ahmadi then can u answer my question? did Mirza Ghulam Ahmad call the muslims that reject him as non muslims?
Ahmadiyya leaders have always considered any one who calls himself or herself a Muslim, as Muslim.
They have always had a soft corner for all Muslims and have tried to defend their political rights in the last 125 years. The Founder of Ahmadiyyat or his Khulafa, have never bracketed the Muslim masses with the non-Muslims.
Sometimes those who do not accept Ahmadiyya understanding of Islam, are referred to as Kafirs, meaning they refuse to accept.
Think of “Muslim” and “non-Muslim,” as antonyms and “Momin” or a good Muslim and “Kafirs,” as antonyms.
As any one who calls himself or herself a Muslim is a Muslim, but, may not be a Momin.
This is the summary of the Ahmadiyya position on these issues.
I would appreciate an honest and polite discussion on this subject as long as we do not sink into an endless dissection of any of the quotes, which are misunderstood, when presented out of context.
the holy prophet said not to call muslims as kafirs.
u can’t call muslims as kafirs just because they reject mirza ghulam.
so r u trying to justify calling mu’mins as kafirs just because they dont accept ahmadiyaa thought?
it still goes against the prophetic teaching
there r many good muslims throughout history that rejected Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.
they were not kafirs! neither were they “bad muslims”. so its still wrong to call such believers as kafirs.
u cant say to the rest of the muslim ummah that; “u cant call us kafirs but we can call u kafirs, because we r good muslims and u r not.”
its mentioned in the Quran
“O you who have believed, believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book that He sent down upon His Messenger and the Scripture which He sent down before. And whoever disbelieves in Allah , His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day has certainly gone far astray.” [4:136]
hence any1 who disbelieves in Allah or His Books or His messengers or the last day, only then they r not mu’mins.
Dear Mr. Parvez: No great need for debate here.
Here is a verbatim excerpt from the writings of the Promised Messiah Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (May peace and blessings of ALlah be upon him). He states:
“From the very beginning it has been my faith that the rejection of my claim does not render anyone Kafir or Dajjal… I donot call anyone Kafir who pronounces the kalima… If I am a Muslim in the eyes of God, then those who call me Kafir only render themselves Kafir in accordance with the Edict of the Holy Prophet in the matter… my faith in reality is that I do not regard any muslim a kafir” Reference Taryaqul Qulub pages 258-260 – The Muslim Sunrise.
In other numerous statements the Promised Messiah Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (SA) himself has reiterated his unreserved belief in the Kalima Shahada and all fundamentals of Islam including the belief in the Holy Prophet being Khatam-un-Nabiyyeen. I can provide you references directly again from his own writings on his profession of faith as being Muslim.
Now tell me the names of “many good Muslims” (perhaps Ulema if you mean that) who declare openly that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad sahib is a Muslim – even if they reject his claim to be the Promised Messiah.
Or- for the sake of our satisfaction please let us know if you, yourself consider Mirza Sahib a Muslim (even if you do not agree with this claim of being Imam Mahdi and Messiah) and your own decision will let you know whether you are a Muslim according to the Edict of the Holy Prophet or not. We Ahmadiyya Muslims follow only the Fatwa of the Holy Prophet which is binding on us. Which fatwa do you follow?
This is simple and should settle the matter. May Allah open your heart to true guidance.
i follow the prophet’s ahadith regarding the return of messiah isa ibn maryam and Imam mahdi.
I reject the claims of mirza ghulam.
lets not forget that there r many good muslims that hav never heard of ahmadiya, they just simply follow Quran and Sunnah in theology and belief.
the holy prophet said i hav left you with the Quran and sunnah…. which has detailed ayat concerning beliefs and acts of worship.
The holy propher said; “i am the last appointed prophet and my ummah is the last ummah.” [musnad ahmad]
the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, “I have five names. I am Muhammad. I am Ahmad. I am al-Mahi (the effacer), by whom Allah effaces kufr. I am al-Hashir (the gatherer), before whom people are gathered. I am al-Aqib (the last appointed prophet).” [Abdul Malik Muwatta – last hadith]
It has been narrated by Abu Huraira that the Holy Prophet (may pceace be upon him) said:
“Banu Isra’il were ruled over by the Prophets. When one Prophet died, another succeeded him; but after me there is no prophet and there will be caliphs….” [sahih muslim – book of government]
Muhammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and last of the prophets. And ever is Allah , of all things, Knowing. [Quran, 33:40]
Parvez sahib, I tell you an important hadith which is in both books, Imam Bukhari and Muslim. It is as follows:
The prophet Muhammad s.a.w.s. told his followers:”By the one in whose hand is my life, Ibne Maryam will surely descend amongst YOU as a JUST JUDGE (Hakaman Adalan).
He will break the Cross and Kill the swine….”
There are four things mentioned here:
1. The Isa Ibne Maryam,
2. The word YOU which means sahabah,
3. The breaking of the Cross,
4. The killing of swine.
This hadith is most authentic and useful to you. It is by the oath of Allah.
Can you please explain what is meant by breaking the Cross and Killing the swine? What do you understand and how do you explain the meaning of these two important acts of Isa Ibne Maryam??
This is not the real topic here but you have preferred the matter by hadith, so I have given you the most authentic Hadith on the subject. Please explain. Thank you.
i beleive wht is established in Islamic belief ( school of ahle sunnah)
the classical scholars of ahle sunnah such as tabari, qurtubi, abu dawud, ibn hajr, nawawi, ibn taymiya and ibn kathir agreed that Isa ibn Maryam was raised up alive and during the end of time he will return.
Abu Hurairah and Ibbn Abbas said that the prophet said; “Allah raised isa ibn maryam unto Himself…” [Tafsir tabari & qurtubi]
Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Ibn `Abbas said, “Just before Allah raised `Isa to the heavens, `Isa went to his companions, who were twelve inside the house. When he arrived, his hair was dripping water and he said, `There are those among you who will disbelieve in me twelve times after he had believed in me.’ He then asked, `Who volunteers that his image appear as mine, and be killed in my place. He will be with me (in Paradise)’ One of the youngest ones among them volunteered and `Isa asked him to sit down. `Isa again asked for a volunteer, and the young man kept volunteering and `Isa asking him to sit down. Then the young man volunteered again and `Isa said, `You will be that man,’ and the resemblance of `Isa was cast over that man while `Isa ascended to heaven from a hole in the house. When the Jews came looking for `Isa, they found that young man and crucified him. Some of `Isa’s followers disbelieved in him twelve times after they had believed in him. They then divided into three groups. One group, Al-Ya`qubiyyah (Jacobites), said, `Allah remained with us as long as He willed and then ascended to heaven.’ Another group, An-Nasturiyyah (Nestorians), said, `The son of Allah was with us as long as he willed and Allah took him to heaven.’ Another group, Muslims, said, `The servant and Messenger of Allah remained with us as long as Allah willed, and Allah then took him to Him.’ The two disbelieving groups cooperated against the Muslim group and they killed them. Ever since that happened, Islam was then veiled until Allah sent Muhammad.” [Tafsir Ibn Kathir and sunan an nasa’i]
Many among the classical scholars stated that `Isa asked if someone would volunteer for his appearance to be cast over him, and that he will be killed instead of `Isa, for which he would be his companion in Paradise. [ibn kathir]
Abdullah ibn Mas’ud reported that the prophet said; “On the night of ascension, I met Ibraheem, Musa and Isa ibn Maryam. They spoke about the hour, Isa ibn maryam said only Alllah knows when it will happen. But i have been given tasks before the hour. i will descend and judge by the quran and sunnah. I will kill dajjal in ludd and show his blood to the muslims on my sword. then soon after gog and magog will emerge causing corruption on the land. I and a group of muslims will do dua to Allah and Allah will destroy gog and magog……” [musnad ahmad]
Isa ibn maryam is the same messiah that was sent to banu israel, he will come back. there is no 2 messiahs.
isa will kill dajjal in ludd which is in palestine. dajjal’s blood will b shown to the people to prove that dajjal is not divine.
According to authentic ahadith; the prophet (pbuh) said that dajjal is a human being born to jewish parents. Not the church as some people claim.
According to the understanding of the sahaba and early scholars; they clearly stated that dajjal is a human being but he will be decieving many people.
Abu Sa’id reported: I accompanied Ibn Sayyad to Mecca and he said to me: i will report to you what the prophet said about dajjal – Have you not heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace upon him) as saying: He (dajjal) will have no no children, I said: Yes, of course. Have you not heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He would not enter Mecca and Medina? I said: Yes, of course. And Isa (pbuh) will slay him in palestine. [sahih muslim – book of tribulations]
An-Nawwas b. Sam’an reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) made a mention of the Dajjal one day in the morning. He sometimes described him to be insignificant and sometimes described (his turmoil) as very significant and we felt as if he were in the cluster of the date-palm trees. When we went to him (to the Holy Prophet) in the evening and he read (the signs of fear) in our faces, he said: What is the matter with you? We said: Allah’s Messenger, you made a mention of the Dajjal in the morning (sometimes describing him) to be insignificant and sometimes very important, until we began to think as if he were present in some (near) part of the cluster of the datepalm trees. Thereupon he said: I harbour fear in regard to you in so many other things besides the Dajjal. If he comes forth while I am among you, I shall contend with him on your behalf, but if he comes forth while I am not amongst you, a man must contend on his own behalf and Allah would take care of every Muslim on my behalf (and safeguard him against his evil). He (Dajjal) would be a young man with twisted, contracted hair, and a blind eye. He who amongst you would survive to see him (dajjal) should recite the opening verses of Sura Kahf. He (dajjal) would appear on the way between Syria and Iraq and would spread mischief right and left. O servant of Allah! adhere (to the path of Truth). [sahih muslim]
regarding isa ibn maryam (pbuh) killing the swine and breaking the cross;
Ibn hajr, ibn qudamah, ibn taymiya and imam nawawi; they all said isa will proclaim to the cristians that only Allah is worthy of worship hence rejecting the concept of trinity and crucifixion. Also isa ibn maryam will say that the commandments were not abrogated and that the belief of dying for other people sins is fabrication.
regarding the word YOU in the previous comment it simply means the ummah of Muhammad (peace be upon him).
its clear that the early scholars of Islam and the congregation of the 1st 4 muslim generations beleived in the school of ahle sunnah. the 4 main jurists, the 6 main hadith compilers, the 10 qaris and the reformers of each early muslim ummah followed the belief of ahle sunnah.
reformers of early generations;
1st century – Ibn Abbas
2nd century – Imam Shafi
3rd century – bukhari
4th – hakim
6th – ibn qudamah
7th – ibn taymiya
8th- ibn hajr
9th – suyuti
assalamu alaikum brother parvez, I have to admit I’m getting annoyed by your arguments , but I’ll try to simplify to you what the one eyed dajjal is.
so you can better understand from this simpleton
If you continue to take everything you read and present in the literal sense you are looking at things with one eye , but if you look and read things in a metaphorical and literal sense you are seeing with both eyes. The warning about who this dajjal in surat kahf scream loud and clear. the liars and deceivers (dajjals)are those who utter the big monstrosity of a lie that Allah has bigotten a son(astegfirullah) if that doesn’t make you shutter , I don’t know what will. This is the biggest fitna that a lot of muslims misunderstood or simply became blinded themselves by this one eyed dajjal.. If you truly believe syeduna Muhammad(pbuh) you’ll understand what he meant by reading surat kahf is to reflect on it so you are aware of this dajjal , not just pass by the words without much thought and reflection. I’ll pray Allah taala to open your other eye , so you can see and understand better.May Allah help you see clearly brother parvez.
IThe story of the replacement man is absolutely false, not found in any reliable Islamic literature. I ask Parvez sahib about that man who who was put on the Cross in lieu of Jesus a.s. few questions.
it is known that the man who was on the cross was put in a tomb and treated. He was seen out of tomb and he walked 70 miles to Galilee. While he was going, he was met by two men.
All these things are reported in the bibleNT.
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Even Parvez has referred to these things as follows:
Ibn `Abbas said, “Just before Allah raised `Isa to the heavens, `Isa went to his companions, who were twelve inside the house. When he arrived, ……he said, `There are those among you who will disbelieve in me …….’ He then asked, `Who volunteers that his image appear as mine, and be killed in my place. He will be with me (in Paradise)’ One of the youngest ones among them volunteered ……asking him to sit down. Then the young man volunteered again and `Isa said, `You will be that man,’ and the resemblance of `Isa was cast over that man while `Isa ascended to heaven from a hole in the house. When the Jews came looking for `Isa, they found that young man and crucified him.
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So that man had been crucified (killed on the Cross) in place of Jesus. How he became alive?? and went to meet the 12 friends?? He met them as Isa, then where did he go? That was a very important man. Did he also go up in heaven to sit with Isa a.s.??
Isa a.s. had told that man he will be with him in Paradise. Did that man go to Paradise?.
This is a totally false story invented by one Christian monk in 4th century A.D. Nobody believes it.
Some Christians put the story to me that some one was given the face of Jesus and that man was Crucified. I asked that Christian “Do you believe that it was some one else on the Cross, and not Jesus a.s??”
He said, “No.” I told him, “Then why are you telling me that it was some one else on the Cross??”
The Jews do not believe that it was some one else on the Cross. The Christians do not believe that. Then why are Muslims so anxious to spread that false story?? Which has no basis in Quran and Hadith. It is a story to make fool of the Muslims.
@ leila
i dont understand why u r annoyed with my comments. i simply put wht i understand of the relevant ahadith. u cant expect people will agree in everything within a day or so. it takes years of mutual understanding.
yes surah al kahf is beneficial against the dajjal because dajjal will call people to shirk. and the youngsters of the cave avoided shirk even at the cost of comfortable living.
the holy prophet did say that dajjal will be followed by thousands of jews and that dajjal will be defeated in palestine by isa ibn maryam.
Allah sent His messengers gor guidance and to teach in clear way. hence if every prophecy is twisted then it is more of a tool of confusion rather that light of guidance. instead of the ahadith been clear its more of a secret code.
thus there r room for metaphoric interpretations as long as it doesnt contradict the clear signs and the language allows it.
the athar of ibn abbas is mentioned in islamic literature as i mentioned. its found in tafsir ibn abi hatim, tafsir ibn kathir, musnad ahmad and sunan an nasa’i.
regarding the martyred companion of isa ibn maryam, yes he will go to jannah in the hereafter.
Abu huraira, ibn masud and ibn abbas both explicitly said and repoted ahadith stating that isa ibn maryam was raised up alive and that one of his companions was martyred. [tafsir ibn kathir and musnad ahmad]
ibn abbas and ibn mas’ud were among the sahaba that wrote the Quran, so i would believe in their theology.
there r many other evidences which i posted on other pages of this website
assalam alaikum brother parvez I’m sorry that you don’t understand yet , but inshaallah you will. You seem like your searching for the truth , again I’ll simplify it as best I can . picture this when syeduna Muhammad(pbuh) who was an unscholared simpleton what did the so called scholars of jewish christian ahadith do , they started coming at him with their ahadith to do what ?prove they are right and he’s wrong (god forbid)but here’s the shock Allah subhannahu wa taala was instructing him to do what ? turn their bloody page and begin a new chapter enough blood has been shed over who’s right and who’s wrong . Turn to Allah for crying out loud and simply beg him to know the answers Allah is alive not dead(astegfirullah , he’s quite capable and able to show you the truth if you really wish to know, I did and that’s why I’m an Ahmaddi muslima Alhamdulillah .Allah is Thee lord of lords and the worlds. may Allah give you Hidaya brother parvez so you can stop wasting time arguing and start doing
intellectual jihad is not wasting time neither is holding on to the authentic ahadith.
again its an ahmadi misconception that somehow we muslims are just sitting doing nothing for the message of Islam and just simply waiting for the messiah.
the muslims of ahle sunnah have based their beliefs on the authentic ahadith and the interpetations of the classical scholars such as abu dawud, nawawi, ibn taymiya, ibn hajr and ibn kathir.
Anyways coming back to the discussion; the early muslim scholars and the well known scholars of ahle sunnah agreed that Imam Mahdi will come before the return of the messiah isa ibn maryam. Also they all agreed that there is only one messiah isa ibn maryam and that imam mahdi is different person from isa ibn maryam.
the prophet (saw) always reffered to the messiah as isa ibn maryam hence isa (as) is the same messiah that was sent to banu israel who recieved the injeel. While Imam mahdi is from ahle bayt thus he will be arab.
Notice the prophet (saw) said that isa ibn maryam will descesnd and rule by the Quran and not the Injeel. [bukhari and muslim] this again proves that isa ibn maryam will come back.
reminder of the prophetic signs regarding the return of masih isa ibn maryam (as):
isa (as) will descend onto a white minerat in eastern damascus [tafsir Ibn kathir]
Isa (as) will perform salah in Ash Sham (musnad Ahmad — reported by Abdullah ibn Mas’ud]
Isa ibn maryam will defeat the dajjal in ludd which is in palestine and show the blood of dajjal on his sword to the people [bukhari and muslim]
Isa ibn maryam will perform hajj and umra [ibn majah]
when isa passes away he will be buried in madina [Bukhari]
clear difference between imam mahdi and isa ibn maryam:
imam mahdi is from ahle bayt while isa ibn maryam is from banu israil
Imam mahdi will be caliph for 7 years. but when isa ibn maryam returns his time will be for 40 years [musnad ahmad]
imam mahdi’s father’s name will be abdullah whcih is the same as the father’s name of prophet Muhammad (saw) [ibn majah and abu dawud]
But isa ibn maryam (as) has no father as mentioned in the Quran (ch 3, 4 and 19) and ahadith.
when Imam mahdi (as) passes away he will be buried in bayt al quds – jerusalem [musnad ahmad]
but when isa ibn maryam (as) passes away he will be buried in madina [bukhari and muslim]
the ahadith in ibn majah that states that there is no mahdi except isa is weak. it has been classified weak by ibn maja himself, ibn hajr, ibn kathir, suyuti, ahmad shakir, albaani and yasir qadhi.
“Our Lord, let not our hearts deviate after You have guided us and grant us from Yourself mercy. Indeed, You are the Bestower.” [Quran ch 3 vs 8]
Mr. Pervaz wants to start his own discussion here. The topic of concern is Word Allah is only a word for God in Arabic. I met many arabic christians they use the words like Alhamdollilah. What you are going to do. But may be for Pervaz Sahih it is ok for any body like christians or hindu to use any word of Islam but Ahmadies. Pervaz sahih wants to drag every body in his likeable discussion. We can do that please do not try to change topic. But I will add my comment separate for his pleasure.
As Mr. Pervaz has mentioned, Hazart Mirza Sahib said kafir to Muslims, I think all muslims. It is wrong. What he said as he announced his message a storm of apposition erupted in India. Which we Ahmadies understand is very normal according to Bible and Quran, that when any Messenger of God announced his designation by Allah it was not taken by open arms. Most of the time the Prophets never saw full success in their lives. Here mostly all apposition led by Mullahs then issued very serious fatwas of kufre. This tide of fatwas increase by time and language got very dirty and disgraceful. You if you do not mind can go back in libraries of such magazines, newspapers and books. It was a competition who could lead in profanity. This campaign is still going on some take a very ugly turn, and even some very civilized muslim get embarrassed I do not know you are one of them. Hazrat Mirza Sahib used the reference of a Hadith and said any one who call some one kafir is automatically kafir. Even though our mullah saw that argument and after a little while start saying that because Mirza sahib is saying kafir to us so we are also calling him. Basically Mirza Sahib addressed only to these mullahs. I hope you understood.
allah guides has