Islam in Italy: History, Demographics, and the Challenge of Official Recognition

Introduction

Islam is today the second-largest religion in Italy by number of adherents, yet it remains unofficial in the eyes of the Italian state. Unlike the Catholic Church – formally recognized by concordat – and numerous smaller faith communities with official agreements, Islam has no formal accord (“intesa”) with the Italian government. This situation presents a paradox: a significant and growing Muslim population that is visible but unrecognized in legal terms ojs.unito.ithudson.org. The following essay examines the historical roots and demographic rise of Islam in Italy, the legal framework of religious recognition (especially the 1984 intese system), and the multifaceted reasons why Islam has not secured such recognition. Comparisons with other religious communities that have obtained state recognition (Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, various Protestant groups) will highlight the unique challenges facing Islam. Insights from Italian politicians, Muslim leaders, legal scholars, and cultural analysts will inform the analysis, as will a discussion of practical consequences for Muslim communities – from mosque construction to education and chaplaincy – stemming from non-recognition.

Historical Presence of Islam in Italy

Islam’s presence on the Italian peninsula dates back over a millennium. In the 9th century, Muslim forces of the Aghlabid dynasty conquered Sicily (establishing the Emirate of Sicily in 827) and held parts of southern Italy for centuries en.wikipedia.org. During this era, Islamic rule left an imprint on Sicilian society and culture. However, by the 12th century the Norman reconquest of Sicily had largely eliminated Islamic rule in Italy en.wikipedia.org. Thereafter, Muslim presence dwindled. Small groups of Muslims appeared intermittently (for example, Ottoman incursions in Otranto in the 15th century and Muslim soldiers or workers during Italy’s colonial ventures) en.wikipedia.org. Overall, until the late 20th century, Islam’s footprint in Italy was minimal and mostly historical.

Modern Italy saw a renewed Muslim presence only in recent decades, driven by immigration. In the decades after World War II, Italy was largely a country of emigration rather than immigrationhudson.org. Only in the 1970s and 1980s did significant numbers of immigrants begin arriving, including growing streams from Muslim-majority countries in North Africa, the Middle East, the Balkans, and South Asia hudson.org. Unlike France or Britain, Italy had no large Muslim influx from former colonies – the new Muslim communities in Italy came from diverse origins with no historical ties to the Italian state hudson.org. Indeed, the two largest groups are of Moroccan (about 28.5%) and Albanian (20.5%) origin, followed by others from Tunisia, Senegal, Egypt, Bangladesh, Pakistan, and elsewhere hudson.org. This diversity (over 98% Sunni by religious orientation) meant Italy’s Muslim population had a highly varied linguistic and cultural makeup, lacking a single dominant ethnic community hudson.org. By the 1990s and 2000s, Islam had re-established itself firmly in Italy through these immigrant communities and their Italian-born children.

Demographic Development and Community Profile

Today, Islam constitutes a substantial minority in Italy. By 2023, estimates put the number of Muslims in Italy at around 2.3 million, making Islam the country’s second-largest religious group after Catholicism (and roughly on par with the total of Orthodox Christian immigrants) en.wikipedia.org. This is about 3.5–4% of Italy’s population, a remarkable increase from virtually zero just a few generations ago. The Muslim population includes both foreign-born residents and a growing share of Italian citizens (by naturalization or birth). Recent data indicate roughly 1.7 million foreign Muslims and at least 400–500 thousand Italian Muslims state.gov, meaning Islam is also the largest religious minority among Italian citizens (not only among immigrants).

Muslim communities are concentrated in Italy’s major urban and industrial areas. Northern regions (like Lombardy, around Milan) host a large share – in 2015 about 26.5% of Italy’s Muslims lived in Lombardy timesofisrael.com – due to labor migration. Cities such as Rome, Milan, and Turin have significant Muslim populations, as do some smaller industrial towns (e.g. around factories or ports where migrant labor is common). These communities have established numerous local prayer halls and cultural centers. However, the number of purpose-built mosques remains very limited. In fact, while there are reportedly over 700 Islamic prayer spaces in Italy, only a half-dozen major mosques exist that are officially recognized as places of worship timesofisrael.com. The largest is the Grand Mosque of Rome (opened 1995), which is an architectural landmark and the seat of the Italian Islamic Cultural Center. Other cities like Milan, Ravenna, and Palermo also have notable mosques. Still, most Muslims pray in makeshift venues – garages, warehouses, rented halls – highlighting the community’s tenuous institutional status. The scarcity of mosques in Italy is predominantly due to the fact that Islam is not officially recognized as a religion, as official recognition would better guarantee and protect places of worship and facilitate obtaining permits en.wikipedia.org. This link between legal status and religious infrastructure underscores how demographics alone have not translated into full religious integration.

Italy’s Legal and Constitutional Framework for Religion

The peculiar status of Islam in Italy can only be understood against the backdrop of Italian law on religion. The Italian Constitution (1948) provides a dual system: special recognition for the Catholic Church and the possibility of recognition for other religions via bilateral agreements. Article 7 of the Constitution enshrines the Lateran Pacts with the Holy See, affirming a Concordat with the Catholic Church that grants it a unique standing. Article 8 establishes that “all religious denominations are equally free” under Italian law, but it also states that relations with the state for groups other than Catholicism are regulated by law “on the basis of an intesa (accord)” with the government. In practical terms, this means that non-Catholic religions must negotiate an agreement with the Italian state to be formally recognized and to enjoy certain privileges and rights in the public sphere.

A turning point came in 1984, when Italy revised the post-war Concordat with the Vatican, affirming the secular nature of the state and opening the door to new accords with other faithsrefworld.org. Since then, a series of intese (intese is plural; intesa singular) have been signed with various religious communities under Article 8. These accords, once approved by Parliament, become law and define the rights of the community and its relationship with the state. An intesa typically grants a religious denomination a package of benefits analogous (though not identical) to those enjoyed by the Catholic Churchrefworld.org. Key provisions usually include:

  • State recognition of religious ministers and institutions: Clergy of recognized faiths gain automatic access to state institutions – for example, they can serve as chaplains in the military, hospitals, and prisonsrefworld.org. (Without an intesa, such access is not guaranteed and must be negotiated case by case.)
  • Legal status for religious rites: Marriages conducted by clergy of a recognized religion can be directly registered as civil marriages, and the state may facilitate certain religious funeral rites or personal status mattersrefworld.org.
  • Observation of Religious holidays: Believers of recognized groups can receive official exemption from work or school on their major religious holidaysrefworld.org. For instance, Jewish holy days or Adventist Sabbath observance are acknowledged by law. In contrast, Islamic feasts like Eid al-Fitr and Eid al-Adha are not formally recognized in Italy – Muslim students or workers currently have no automatic legal right to observe them, reflecting Islam’s lack of an intesaen.wikipedia.org.
  • Financial support mechanisms: Perhaps most significantly, recognized religions can access Italy’s distinctive “otto per mille” (eight per thousand) funding systemlawandreligionforum.org. Under this system, Italian taxpayers may allocate 0.8% of their annual income tax to a religious organization of their choice (or to a social assistance state fund)lawandreligionforum.org. The allocations of those who don’t express a preference are distributed among the participating denominations in proportion to the preferences of those who dolawandreligionforum.org. The Catholic Church and all intesa-recognized faiths are eligible to receive these funds, which amount to hundreds of millions of euros annually for the Church and proportionally smaller shares for others. For example, the Union of Jewish Communities and the Adventist Church benefit from this system. A religious community without an intesa cannot receive these taxpayer contributionsrefworld.org. Indeed, Italy’s Muslim organizations are entirely excluded from the otto per mille funding, forcing mosques and Islamic centers to rely on private donations (often from abroad) rather than structured domestic support.

Crucially, the absence of an intesa does not mean a religion is banned or that its worship is illegal – Italy does guarantee basic freedom of religion (Constitution Article 19) to all. Muslim individuals and associations are free to practice their faith within the general laws. However, lacking an intesa keeps a religious community in a sort of legal limbo, denying it the full institutional dignity and partnership with the state that recognized denominations enjoyojs.unito.it. In the words of one Muslim leader, “despite the Constitution guaranteeing freedom of religion, the absence of a consequent law means that the Muslim community is not recognized by the Italian state”ansa.it. In practical terms, unrecognized groups often fall back on an antiquated 1929 law on “admitted cults,” which provides a limited form of legal status but under tighter government oversight and without the benefits of an intesa. This is widely seen as outdated and inadequate for a large community like Italian Muslimsoasiscenter.euoasiscenter.eu.

The 1984 Intese and Recognized Religious Communities

Following the 1984 reforms, Italy moved to sign accords with several minority religions – a process meant to realize the constitutional promise of equal religious freedom. The first intese were established in 1984, notably with the historic Waldensian Evangelical Church (a Protestant church present in Italy since the Middle Ages) and the Seventh-day Adventist Churchadventist.news. In the late 1980s and 1990s, more agreements followed. By the early 2000s, Italy had concluded intese with a range of religious communities, including those representing Jewish, Protestant, Eastern Orthodox, Buddhist, and Hindu faiths. To list some prominent examples, denominations that have secured an intesa (and thus official state recognition) include:

  • The Union of Italian Jewish Communities – representing Italy’s ancient Jewish minority (about 30,000 people), this intesa was among the first for a non-Christian faith (law approved in 1989). Jews in Italy now benefit from state-supported cultural heritage protection, Jewish chaplains, and inclusion in the tax donation schemecesnur.org.
  • Protestant and Evangelical Churches: A number of Protestant federations or churches have intese. These include the Waldensian Church (with Methodists), the Baptist Union, the Lutheran Church, and several Pentecostal groups. For instance, the Assemblies of God (Pentecostals) – despite having only a few tens of thousands of adherents – managed to sign an intesa in 1988hudson.org. The Confederation of Waldensian and Methodist churches (with maybe 50,000 members) did so in 1984, and the Baptist and Lutheran unions by the 1990slawandreligionforum.org. These agreements illustrate that even relatively small Christian communities were able to formalize their status.
  • Orthodox Christian Church: Given the influx of Orthodox immigrants (especially from Romania), Italy approved an intesa with the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of Italy (under the Ecumenical Patriarchate) in 2012lawandreligionforum.orglawandreligionforum.org. This accord helps cater to hundreds of thousands of Eastern Orthodox faithful residing in Italy.
  • The Italian Buddhist Union (UBI): Buddhism, which counts perhaps 0.5% of Italy’s population (including immigrants from East Asia and a number of Italian converts), obtained an intesa in 2007 (ratified by Parliament in subsequent years)refworld.org. This covers various Buddhist traditions except Soka Gakkai (a Japanese-origin lay Buddhist movement which pursued its own agreement).
  • The Italian Hindu Union: Hindu communities (largely composed of Indian and Sri Lankan immigrants, roughly 150–200,000 people) likewise secured an intesa in 2007refworld.org.
  • The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons): Though the Mormon Church in Italy has only about 25–30,000 members, it achieved an intesa around 2007–2012lawandreligionforum.org. (Interestingly, the LDS Church, as a matter of principle, chooses not to receive government money; in Italy they declined to participate in the tax funding despite being eligiblecesnur.org.)
  • Others: In 2015, an agreement was signed with the Soka Gakkai Italian Buddhist association (known for its large lay following, including some 75,000 Italian adherents)cesnur.org. There have also been talks or drafts involving the Anglican Church (Church of England) in Italyoasiscenter.eu, and smaller groups.

In total, by the mid-2010s Italy had around a dozen religious communities with effective intese. “Denominations with a concordat include in Italy Waldensians, Assembly of God Pentecostals, Seventh-day Adventists, Jews, Baptists, Lutherans, Mormons, Greek Orthodox, Apostolic Pentecostals, the Italian Buddhist Union, and the Italian Hindu Union,” as one scholar summarizedcesnur.org. These recognized faiths vary widely in size and history – some (like Waldensians and Jews) have deep Italian roots; others (like Hindus and Pentecostals) are newer due to immigration or missionary activity. Yet all are formally acknowledged by the state, participate in the benefits of the intesa system, and are consulted on relevant policies. Notably, even churches with only a few thousand adherents (such as the small Lutheran or Adventist churches) succeeded in signing an intesa, underscoring the inclusive intent of the frameworkhudson.org.

Against this landscape, the absence of an accord with Islam is glaring. Islam is by far the largest religious community in Italy without official recognition. The only other major group in a somewhat similar limbo are the Jehovah’s Witnesses, who claim around 400,000 members nationallyen.wikipedia.org. The Jehovah’s Witnesses did negotiate intesa drafts (in 2000 and 2007), but faced political resistance in Parliament – their agreement has been stalled for years and not ratified into lawreligaredatabase.cnrs.fr. Thus, Italy’s two largest non-Catholic faith communities – Sunni Islam and Jehovah’s Witnesses – both remain outside the intesa system. In the case of Islam, however, the situation is arguably more consequential, given the public visibility of issues like mosques, halal food, Islamic banking, attire (e.g. headscarves), and integration of a primarily immigrant-origin population. Islam’s lack of official status stands out as a “juridical and social anomaly” in the Italian legal system, one analyst observesojs.unito.it, considering the mechanisms exist to accommodate religious pluralism.

Why Islam Has Not Been Officially Recognized

Despite being Italy’s second-largest faith community, Islam has not secured an intesa or any formal recognition from the state. This is the result of a complex interplay of legal, political, cultural, and religious factors. Multiple attempts have been made to reach an accord, but all have faltered. Here we dissect the main reasons identified by experts and stakeholders:

Lack of a Unified Representative Body

The most commonly cited obstacle is the absence of a single, unified interlocutor who can represent all Muslims in Italy in negotiations with the stateansa.ithudson.org. By law, an intesa is an agreement between the government and a specific religious organization (legal entity) that represents that faith’s adherents. For example, the intesa with the Jewish community was signed with the Union of Italian Jewish Communities; the Waldensian Church signed on behalf of Waldensian and Methodist Protestants. In the case of Islam, however, the community is fragmented among numerous associations and lacks an official hierarchy or clergy that could speak for everyone. “When an intesa is stipulated, the counterpart must be a unitary organization. But who can speak on behalf of Muslims in Italy? Until that question is answered, there can be no intesa,” explains Agostino Cilardo, a scholar of Islamic law in Naplesansa.it. This is not merely a bureaucratic formality but a substantive leadership issue.

Indeed, Italy’s Muslims are served by a patchwork of associations and federations. Some of the major ones include:

  • The Union of Islamic Communities and Organizations in Italy (UCOII), historically the largest network of mosques (particularly representing Muslims of Arab origin).
  • The Islamic Cultural Center of Italy in Rome, which oversees the Grand Mosque of Rome (its governing board traditionally includes ambassadors from Muslim-majority countries, giving foreign states a role).
  • The COREIS (Italian Islamic Religious Community), led by a group of Italian Muslim intellectuals and converts (notably Imam Yahya Pallavicini), known for a moderate stance.
  • Other groups like the Italian Muslim Assembly (AMI), various Shi’a associations, Sufi brotherhoods, and cultural organizations tied to specific ethnic communities (Bangladeshi, Pakistani, Senegalese, etc.).

Throughout the 1990s and 2000s, these entities variously sought to position themselves as the state’s counterpart. Multiple proposals for an intesa were submitted by different Muslim organizations: the Rome mosque’s Center applied in 1993, another group (AMI) in 1994, COREIS in 1996hudson.org. However, Italian governments rejected those early proposals on the grounds that none of those applicants could credibly claim to represent a majority of Muslims nationwidehudson.org. Each was seen as speaking for only a segment of the diverse Muslim population, and granting one group official status might exclude others.

On the other hand, the one organization that arguably did have the network to represent a large number of Muslims – UCOII – presented its own draft intesa repeatedly (starting in 1990 and in subsequent years)hudson.org. UCOII manages a significant portion of local mosques and Islamic centers across Italy and has a nationwide presence. In principle, UCOII could be a candidate to sign an intesa. However, the content of UCOII’s proposals and the specter of “monopoly” raised concerns. UCOII’s draft agreements ambitiously requested recognition of Islamic holidays, introduction of Islamic religious education in public schools, legal validity for marriages performed by imams, and even dedicated Muslim programming on public TVhudson.org. Furthermore, UCOII sought to be acknowledged as the sole representative of Islam in Italy, with the authority to administer all benefits of the intesa (e.g. deciding curricula, appointing chaplains, distributing funds)hudson.orghudson.org. Italian authorities found some of these demands incompatible with the legal framework or excessive in scopehudson.org. If the state were to sign such an agreement, it would effectively anoint UCOII as the official Islamic body, giving it far-reaching powers over the Muslim community. This prospect alarmed not only the government but also many Muslims outside UCOII’s foldhudson.org. Minority Muslim sects (Shi’ites, Ahmadiyya) and more secular or liberal Muslim voices did not want to be placed under a conservative Sunni umbrella. Even many Sunni Muslims in Italy who simply weren’t aligned with UCOII’s leadership objected to it gaining “unchallenged power” through an intesahudson.org. In fact, other influential actors – such as representatives of Muslim-majority countries (e.g. Morocco, Egypt, Saudi Arabia) – actively lobbied Italian authorities not to conclude an intesa that would favor UCOII, which some of those governments viewed with suspicion due to its ideological leanings (UCOII leaders have been associated with the Muslim Brotherhood trend of thought)hudson.org.

The net result was a deadlock: no single Muslim organization could fulfill both criteria of being broadly representative to the community and simultaneously acceptable to Italian authorities (and other Muslim stakeholders). As one expert noted, this “fragmentation and infighting” led officials to conclude the community was “not yet mature” for an intesahudson.org. Thus, the Italian state adopted a stance of waiting – essentially postponing an agreement until Muslims could sort out an internal representative council or federation. “Islam, which is de facto the country’s second religion, has not yet been recognized by the Italian state. While the opposition of some political forces to recognition of Islam has sometimes interfered, the main reason for this paradox lies in the lack of a unified leadership in the Italian Muslim community,” one analysis concludeshudson.org. The Minister of the Interior in 2004, Giuseppe Pisanu, explained that unlike France – where a century-old Muslim presence eventually led to an umbrella council – “the Italian reality is still very fragmented and indefinite. Islam [by nature] has no single hierarchies, so it is difficult to find interlocutors. I say: let us first try to get to know it, then find a way to make it express itself in the most democratic fashion possible”hudson.org. This statement encapsulates the official view that time and self-organization were needed before formalizing a pact.

Political and Security Concerns

While representation is the primary technical hurdle, political factors have also played a significant role in stalling Islamic recognition. In the Italian political arena, attitudes toward Islam have often been polarized. Right-wing and populist parties, particularly the Northern League (Lega Nord, now simply “the League”) and more recently the Brothers of Italy, have frequently capitalized on anti-immigrant and anti-Islam sentiment. These parties and their politicians have opposed granting Islam any official status, framing it as a defense of Italian identity or public security. For example, the Northern League in the 2000s sponsored local measures to block mosque construction – one such Lombardy regional law in 2015 explicitly required that any new place of worship belong to a religion recognized by the state (a clause clearly aimed at stopping mosques)timesofisrael.com. Since Islam “lacks a signed agreement with the government,” it is not a recognized religion, and thus this so-called “anti-mosque law” attempted to use the absence of an intesa to justify forbidding Islamic prayer sitestimesofisrael.com. (Italy’s highest court struck down that law in 2016 as unconstitutional, citing the fundamental right of religious freedom and equalitytimesofisrael.com. But the episode illustrates the hostile climate in some quarters.)

Prominent figures like Roberto Maroni (a Northern League leader and former Interior Minister) and Matteo Salvini (League leader, former Deputy PM) have made no secret of their skepticism towards Islam. When the court invalidated the Lombardy restrictions, Maroni complained that “the left cheers ‘Allahu Akbar’” in victory and Salvini sarcastically congratulated “the Islamic Court” for the rulingtimesofisrael.com. Such rhetoric signals a segment of political opposition that frames official recognition of Islam as something dangerous or undesired. It is likely that any attempt by a government to bring an intesa with a Muslim organization to Parliament for ratification would face resistance from right-wing legislators, who might delay or derail approval – much as happened with the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ accord in the past.

Additionally, the climate of international terrorism in the post-9/11 era, and incidents of Islamist extremism in Europe, have cast a shadow on discourse about Islam in Italy. Although Italy’s Muslim community is generally peaceful, security agencies have monitored radicalization risks, and a number of radicalized individuals have been deported in recent yearsen.wikipedia.orgen.wikipedia.org. Some politicians argue that until issues of extremism are definitively addressed, formal recognition is premature. However, others counter that marginalizing Islam only feeds alienation – indeed Italian governments have at times viewed engagement and formalization as a way to empower moderates. For instance, in 2017 the Interior Minister Marco Minniti (center-left government) signed a “National Pact for an Italian Islam” with various Muslim representatives, a charter committing to Italian laws and integration, seen as a confidence-building step toward an eventual intesaojs.unito.itojs.unito.it. Still, the fact remains that politically, endorsing Muslim recognition has been seen as a liability by many, and thus there hasn’t been sustained political will across the spectrum to push it through.

Cultural and Religious Dimensions

Beyond formal politics, broader cultural and religious attitudes in Italian society influence the situation. Italy has a deep Roman Catholic heritage – culturally, even secular Italians often identify with the Catholic tradition. The rapid growth of a visible Muslim presence (marked by mosques, halal shops, women wearing hijabs, etc.) has at times sparked local backlash or NIMBY-style opposition, especially in smaller cities and towns unaccustomed to religious diversity. The construction of mosques often encounters protests from residents who fear an erosion of their neighborhood’s character or who harbor Islamophobic prejudices (for example, unfounded fears that a mosque will breed extremism). This social climate can pressure local officials to be unwelcoming, thereby complicating the normalization that an intesa could bring. In essence, Islam in Italy still confronts a degree of public suspicion, and this feeds into the reluctance of national leaders to grant it formal parity.

On the other hand, there are voices in Italian civil society and the Catholic Church that call for greater recognition of Islam as part of Italy’s pluralistic fabric. The Catholic Sant’Egidio Community and many Catholic intellectuals advocate dialogue and note that embracing religious freedom for Muslims is consistent with Catholic social teaching on dignity of faith. Even the Vatican has, in principle, supported Muslim-Catholic dialogue and the idea that Muslims should enjoy freedom of worship in Europe (especially as the Vatican presses for Catholic minority rights in Muslim-majority countries). However, such positive influences have not yet translated into concrete legal change for Italy’s Muslims.

From the religious community’s internal perspective, there is also the challenge of Islam’s own organizational models. Islam has no pope or centralized clergy; authority is diffuse among imams and community leaders. This structural difference makes it inherently more difficult to fit into the Italian model of a single representative body. In Italy, Muslims have had to create new institutions (associations, councils) to interface with the state – something foreign to the religion’s traditional grassroots nature. There have been attempts to foster unity: the government’s 2005 Consulta per l’Islam Italiano was one, bringing diverse Muslim figures into an advisory councilhudson.orghudson.org. Later, efforts were made to establish a federative body. In 2008, with encouragement from authorities, a short-lived “Federation of Italian Islam” was announced, aiming to unite UCOII, the Rome mosque, and othershudson.orghudson.org. Unfortunately, internal rivalries and ideological differences impeded these initiatives. Even the 2007 “Charter of Values of Citizenship and Integration,” a document affirming Muslims’ commitment to Italian constitutional principles (rule of law, gender equality, etc.), saw initial endorsement by Muslim representatives only to have some retrench later under community pressureojs.unito.itojs.unito.it. Such incidents indicate that within the Muslim community there are varying viewpoints on cooperation with the state and the degree of unity achievable. Some fear losing autonomy or Islamic authenticity if they form a state-sanctioned body; others urgently desire official recognition to secure their rights. This intra-community dynamic is a religious-cultural factor that has made a unified stance elusive.

In summary, Islam’s failure to gain recognition so far is not due to any single reason but a convergence of challenges: the Italian state’s requirements for a representative counterpart, the Muslim community’s internal divisions, the political ambivalence or hostility toward Islam, and underlying social-cultural wariness. As a result, Islam remains “visible but unrecognized” – a significant community operating outside the formal framework that Italy uses to manage church-state relationsojs.unito.it.

Practical Consequences for Muslim Communities

The lack of an official intesa for Islam in Italy has tangible day-to-day consequences for the country’s Muslim residents and their institutions. Some of the practical impacts of non-recognition include:

  • Limited Funding and Financial Constraints: As noted, Muslim organizations cannot access the otto per mille taxpayer funds that recognized religions receive. Catholic parishes and even small Protestant or Buddhist groups benefit from this system, but Islamic centers rely on their own fundraising. This often means collecting donations among generally less-wealthy immigrant communities or seeking contributions from abroad (e.g. from the Middle East). Foreign funding (from countries or Islamic charities) has sometimes raised suspicion among Italian authorities, but without domestic public funding, communities feel they have few alternatives. An intesa would allow Italian Muslims to tap into a domestic funding stream and reduce dependence on external patronsrefworld.org.
  • Challenges in Establishing Places of Worship: Perhaps the most visible effect is the difficulty in opening and maintaining mosques. While Italy formally permits freedom of worship, in practice local zoning laws and political hurdles have made it hard for Muslims to build large, purpose-designed mosques. Only a handful exist. Most prayers occur in informal “Islamic centers” that occupy commercial spaces or converted buildings. These sites can be vulnerable – some operate in areas not officially zoned for worship, leading to periodic shutdowns by authorities (as seen in the case of the Monfalcone mayor’s ban on a makeshift mosque for purported zoning violations)theguardian.comtheguardian.com. Recognized religions, by contrast, often work in tandem with municipalities when establishing worship facilities. In some regions, prior laws overtly discriminated: Lombardy’s now-invalidated law is a prime example, as it explicitly tied building permits to recognized statustimesofisrael.comtimesofisrael.com. With Islam not recognized, that law essentially froze mosque construction until courts intervened. Even absent such laws, local politicians sometimes object that a mosque is “not needed” or “not appropriate” – arguments that would carry less weight if Islam were institutionally acknowledged. A government report once frankly stated: “The scarcity of mosques in Italy is predominantly caused by the fact that Italy does not officially recognize Islam as a religion. Official state recognition would guarantee and protect places of worship…”en.wikipedia.org. In other words, an intesa could pave the way for more secure and suitable mosques, moving worship out of basements and garages into proper facilities, which in turn could be monitored and integrated in a positive way. The current situation often leaves devout Muslims praying in overcrowded rooms or even sidewalks during major festivals, under the anxious gaze of neighbors and police, which reinforces a feeling of marginalization.
  • No State-Funded Religious Education: In Italian public schools, the default “hour of religion” class is Catholic-focused (though students can opt out). For recognized minorities, in theory agreements could allow for alternative religious instruction for their adherents. For example, in some schools Jewish students can receive Judaism classes, and Adventists negotiated Saturday as a rest day for their students. Because Islam has no intesa, Islamic religious education is not offered in public schools, and Muslim parents must rely on evening/weekend Quran classes at mosques or teach religion at home. UCOII has long lobbied for introducing an optional Islam class (taught by qualified Muslim instructors) for Muslim students – a proposal included in its draft intesehudson.org. Without recognition, such proposals have not advanced. Muslim students simply opt out of Catholic classes and may take a secular ethics class if available, but do not get the accommodation that a recognized faith might.
  • Marriage and Family Matters: Italian law does not recognize Islamic marriages or divorces. A Muslim couple must have a civil marriage at a municipality; any Islamic nikah ceremony has no civil effect. Recognized religions, however, can celebrate marriages that are directly registered by the state (the priest or rabbi acts as civil registrar under the intesa). Similarly, Islamic funeral rites have no special status – e.g. obtaining land for Islamic cemeteries has been a challenge in some areas, though a few cities now allocate sections of public cemeteries for Muslim burials. An intesa could formalize such provisions (as intese with other groups have included clauses on burial according to one’s rites). In the absence of that, Muslim communities negotiate locally for cemetery space and accommodations for rites like body washing, often with mixed success.
  • Lack of Chaplaincy Rights: As described, recognized communities have the right to provide chaplains in institutions – Catholic chaplains are present in the armed forces, hospitals, and prisons (on state salary), and other intesa groups can send their ministers (often on a volunteer basis or modest stipend). For Muslims, there is no official chaplain program. This means that in prisons with Muslim inmates, imams can only visit as outside volunteers, not as formal chaplains with regular access. The same in hospitals – an imam may be allowed if a patient requests, but there is no systematic pastoral care for Muslim patients as there is for Catholics or even Protestants. In the military, there are Catholic chaplains (and a handful of Protestant and Jewish chaplains approved under their intese), but no Muslim chaplains. Italian Muslim soldiers or detainees thus lack equal spiritual assistance. The intesa framework explicitly would grant such accessrefworld.org.
  • Symbolic Exclusion and Integration Difficulties: Beyond these concrete issues, the non-recognition of Islam has a symbolic impact. It sends a message – intentionally or not – that Islam is somehow “outside” the national community or not fully trusted by the state. Muslim leaders often speak of feeling that their faithful are “Italians of Muslim faith” who love their country, yet are not treated on par with other believersansa.it. This can hinder integration, as younger generations grow up perceiving a glass ceiling on public acceptance of their religion. For instance, when every year tax forms list which recognized churches one can support financially, Islam is conspicuously absent from the check-box options, which is subtly alienating. The lack of an official umbrella can also make cooperation with authorities on issues like imam training, mosque oversight, or counter-radicalization less organized – something Italian officials themselves acknowledge. As the interior ministry noted in 2017, they had to pursue “informal recognition” measures (like the Pact for Italian Islam, local interfaith councils, etc.) to fill the gap, but these have their limitsojs.unito.itojs.unito.it.

On the flip side, it is worth noting that despite not having an intesa, Italian Muslims do enjoy fundamental freedoms. Over the years, the community has de facto established hundreds of worship sites and a robust network of associations. Halal butchers operate openly, Islamic banking windows have opened within Italian banks, and Muslim holidays, while not legal days off, are celebrated within communities. In recent years, universities and civil society have included Muslim voices more, and there’s an emerging generation of Italian-born Muslim professionals and activists engaging with politics and media. All of this indicates gradual normalization. But the lack of official recognition remains a glaring omission that, as many argue, hampers full inclusion. Muslim community leaders like Izzedin Elzir (former UCOII president and imam of Florence) underscore that Muslims contribute richly to Italy – economically (he estimated Muslims account for 4–5% of Italy’s GDP through their work) and socially – yet “the community is de facto not recognized by the Italian State”ansa.it. This tension between real-life presence and legal absence defines the current state of Islam in Italy.

Conclusion

More than three decades after Islam re-emerged in Italy as a major faith community, it remains in a peculiar limbo: free to practice, but not formally recognized. Historically, Islam has been part of the Italian story since medieval times; in modern Italy, it has grown into a diverse population of millions, now the nation’s second-largest religionen.wikipedia.org. The Italian constitutional framework, via the intese of Article 8, provides a mechanism to integrate such diversity into the legal fabric, and indeed many smaller religions have successfully availed themselves of this opportunity. Yet Islam still awaits its turn.

The reasons for Islam’s unrecognized status are multifaceted. Legally, the Italian state has struggled to find a suitable partner in a fragmented Muslim landscape – no single organization can easily claim to represent all Italian Muslims, and attempts to create one have been fraught with competition and controversyansa.ithudson.org. Politically, fear and misunderstanding of Islam, amplified by right-wing narratives and security concerns, have made legislators cautious about granting Islam an official seal of approvaltimesofisrael.comhudson.org. Culturally, Italy is still adapting to being a multi-religious society after centuries of Catholic dominance; acceptance of Islam has lagged, slowing efforts to accord it equal status. And within the Muslim community, debates continue over how to organize and present a unified voice while respecting internal pluralism and autonomy.

The costs of this impasse are borne by the Muslim communities in their daily religious life – seen in the shortage of mosques, absence of Islamic religious instruction in schools, lack of institutional funding, and the feeling of being “guests” rather than full stakeholders in the republicen.wikipedia.orgrefworld.org. An Italian Senate dossier once phrased the issue plainly: the recognition of the Islamic religion by the State remains an unresolved questionoasiscenter.eu. To resolve it, both sides will need to compromise. Italian institutions may need to show greater flexibility and political courage in embracing Islam’s presence – perhaps by accepting a coalition of groups as the counterpart or finding interim legal fixes. The Muslim organizations, for their part, may need to unite around a common minimal platform (even if that means sharing the benefits among various sub-groups) and assuage state concerns by explicitly affirming core constitutional values (something many have already done through charters and dialogues)ojs.unito.itojs.unito.it.

There are some hopeful signs. Initiatives like the 2017 Pact for an Italian Islam and ongoing dialogues indicate that integration is progressing at an informal levelojs.unito.it. Younger Italian-born Muslim leaders are emerging who are adept at navigating Italian civic institutions. Meanwhile, Italy’s broader society is slowly recognizing that religious pluralism is part of its 21st-century reality – it is telling that Italy has now formally acknowledged faiths ranging from Sikhism to Soka Gakkai Buddhism, reflecting a growing inclusivityen.wikipedia.orgcesnur.org. In this evolving context, the continued exclusion of Islam is increasingly untenable and stands out more sharply as an anomaly. Scholars like Paolo Naso argue that closing this gap is essential to uphold Italy’s constitutional principles of religious equality and to avoid channeling a large community into a “secondary, extra-constitutional path” for too longojs.unito.it.

In conclusion, the question of official recognition of Islam in Italy is not merely legalistic – it strikes at the core of how a modern European nation defines itself and accommodates diversity. Italy’s Muslim citizens and residents seek what other faith communities have attained: a formal acknowledgment that their religion, too, “belongs” in Italy. Achieving an intesa with Islam would symbolize a maturing of Italy’s approach to pluralism, affirming that Muslims can be both fully Italian and fully Muslim, with no contradiction between the two. Until then, Islam in Italy remains a case of a community fully part of the social fabric yet still awaiting its official welcome into the constitutional fold. The resolution of this issue, through dialogue and mutual commitment, will mark an important chapter in Italy’s ongoing narrative of religious coexistence.

Sources:

  • Italian Constitution, Article 7 and Article 8 (1948).
  • Intesa agreements (1984 onward) – e.g. Law no. 449/1984 (Waldensian Church) and others.
  • Times of Israel (AFP), “‘Anti-mosque’ law thrown out by Italy’s highest court,” Feb. 24, 2016timesofisrael.comtimesofisrael.com.
  • Paolo Naso, “Visible but unrecognized. The case of Italian Islam,” De Europa Vol.4 No.2 (2021)ojs.unito.itojs.unito.it.
  • Lorenzo Vidino, “Islam, Islamism, and Jihadism in Italy,” Hudson Institute report (2014)hudson.orghudson.org.
  • ANSAmed, “L’Islam è la seconda religione d’Italia ma… senza rappresentanza,” Feb. 11, 2014 – quotes by I. Elzir and A. Cilardoansa.itansa.it.
  • Massimo Introvigne, CESNUR, “Italy signs Concordat (Intesa) with Soka Gakkai,” 2015cesnur.org.
  • U.S. Department of State, Italy 2022 International Religious Freedom Report, esp. section on Status of Government Respect for Religious Freedomrefworld.orgrefworld.org.
  • Oasis Center, “Agenda 2020: dove va l’Islam italiano?” by Alessandro Ferrari, Feb. 3, 2020oasiscenter.euoasiscenter.eu.
  • Wikipedia (English): “Islam in Italy”en.wikipedia.org; “Religion in Italy”en.wikipedia.org (for statistical data).

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  1. I am not aware that in any country where the state collects a ‘church tax’ this is shared with any Muslims. On the contrary, Muslims are even usually paying ‘Church Taxes’. There is usually a way to avoid paying the Church tax (as a Muslim), but most ‘simple’ workers do not know how to take advantage of this exception.

    • “I am not aware that in any country where the state collects a ‘church tax’ this is shared with any Muslims.”

      In Norway all religious communities get their fair share of the “Church Tax”, approximately $50 per member per year.

  2. It would actually be a benefit to the countries in question when funding Mosques. Such mosques would not need to rely on Saudi Arabian (Wahabi) funding and therefore could become more independent. (Just a thought).

    (Of course the Mosques of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama’at are financed by its members only and are therefore totally independent from any foreign donors and their ‘hidden agendas’).

    • It would be a benefit to expel all muslims and never have to hear their simpering and kvetching ever again.

      • ‘Simpering and kvetching’ ? Sorry, do not get your meaning.

  3. I am sure Insha Allah Ahmadiyya Muslim Community will be the first one to build the next mosque in Italy. Following extract from a Friday Sermon of Hadur in Italy is relevant in this context:

    Hudhur delivered his Friday Sermon from Baitul Tauheed in San Pietro in Casale, Italy. Hudhur said it was with God’s grace that today Friday Sermon was being broadcast Live worldwide from Italy for the first time. In spite of members of the Community residing in the country for a long time in a reasonable number we do not have a centre or a mission house there. Some two years ago the site [from where the Sermon was relayed] was purchased, may God enable the construction of a mosque there and remove the hurdles in this matter. Hudhur said locals oppose the building due to their anti-Islam sentiments which are precipitated by the acts of certain Muslim groups. Those who have animosity against Islam will find any excuse to bring it into disrepute; it gives them a chance to fan the flames of ill will. Hudhur said prayers should be made that the hurdles are not only removed in this area but that we are also enabled to build a mission house in Rome.
    Read complete text of this sermon here:
    http://www.alislam.org/urdu/sermon/FST20100416-UR.pdf

    • Get out f my country you filthy heretics! Italy is Christian and has been so for nearly 2,000 years ! Sooner or later, the rest of Italy will get sick of you and deport you all, even force the Brutus(traitors) amongst the Italians out!

  4. Although this is not fair, its always good when the religion of death doesn’t get accepted.

    However, Catholics are just as retarded for literally believing in ancient mythology.

    That’s right… Today’s religion is still tomorrow’s mythology.

  5. Religion of death Mr. Foxtrot? When I checked the Quran I saw:

    “… let not a people’s enmity incite you to act otherwise than with justice. Be always just, that is nearer to righteousness. And fear Allah. Surely, Allah is aware of what you do.” [Maidah 5:9]

    • I am Catholic and I am not retarded lets get that one straight, secondly its fair, they cause trouble where ever they go , throw them all out of the west including the converts

  6. And why would that be? The Holy Quran describes killing of an innocent person as a holocaust or a genocide. An adulterer is to be punished with 100 stripes according to the Holy Quran, where is the room for rape?

    Theft is to be punished by cutting of hands, which can be implemented literally, metaphorically and creatively to prevent violence and crime.

    If you are an atheist, tell me why killing a primate or an ape is wrong, according to your ideology.

    If you are a Christian, please try refuting the following article:

    Violence in the Bible and Jihad in the Quran

  7. Well if the Holly Quran describes killing of a innocent person as a holocaust then what about all the100 stripes witch is more like stikeing a girl half in the ground and chucking rocks and cutting hands off dose that not sound like killing to me

  8. Dear Scottish calm down and take a deep breath.

    What you are worried about stoning to death is mentioned in the Bible, not in the Holy Quran.

    I guess you did not read the article about the Bible, which is linked above. If you read it then your righteous indignation will cool down enough that we may be able to hold bilateral, amicable discussion like grown up respectful adults.

    • You are talking babble..Christians don’t stone women you fool..only muslims do that.. yes..the Old Testament has stoning in it but Christ in the New Testament condemned it..Mohammad in Quran commanded stoning , sex slavery . etc so only MUSLIMS STONE because Mo did it..whatever is in the Bible you can quote all you like. Fact is Jews and Christians DO NOT STONE PEOPLE. Only you lot!

  9. Nice try Muslims! The peaceful verses from your book are from when Mohamed had a small following and was not as powerful as he was later in life. The peaceful verses are superseded by the Newer more violent verses and if you get confused reading the instruction manual of world domination you are to use the more MODERN more VIOLENT verse! According to the main imam in Saudi. Or are all those videos on the internet posted by radicals bull shit??

    • Dear ‘rotten’-‘drew’. If you read The Muslim Times carefully you will note that we do not agree with the main Imam of Saudi Arabia. He for instance said that there should not be any churches in the Arab peninsula, while we pointed out that the Prophet Mohammad, peace be on him, even permitted Christians to pray in his mosque. etc. (other reader’s comments are appreciated).

  10. Islam is a lively religion if someone dose not recognize as religion It his ignorance not others fault. About the women rights who can deny. the world was totally changed ethically socially economically politically after the appearance of Mohammad pbuh, The very important change was THE RESPECT of the WOMEN WAS ESTABLISHED first time in the world. As DAUGHTER SISTER WIFE MOTHER the great honor was awarded by only Prophet Mohammad pbuh. As a mother it was informed that Paradise lies under the feet of your mother. Woman has a first got a right to get education, economically freedom right. Inheritance rights, Marriage right at her own wish. All was given by religion Islam
    The dignity of Woman was introduced in Islam only.Still in this age or time
    No other religion can even imagine such honorable and dignified freedom for a women in the world. This kind of freedom leads towards a peaceful society well mannered and educated civilized nations.my slogan is if the mother, teachers doctors are given respect the whole nation will become respectable.

  11. if muslim is the right religion i prefer go to the hell.non respect people 100%christian respectfull religion

  12. At state level recognition of religion needs certain criteria to be fulfilled. Probably no Muslim group in Italy is so organized and effective to fulfill such requirements.

  13. I am surprised about the government of Italy not giving recognition to Islam to build mosques because of radical imams, polygamy and failure to uphold women’s rights by Muslims immigrants as obstacles to recognizing Islam as an official religion. That is not good. The Christians do not have any law. The Jews have a law and they follow that. But it is well known that Christians do not have any law. So how they are permitted to be recognized as a religion in Italy? In their book (bible) there is nothing about polygamy. There is nothing about women’s rights.

    The Christian women were officially told to keep quiet in the church.

    Bible blames the woman (Eve) about eating the apple and misguiding her man (Adam). The Quran does not do that. Islam gave the right to woman to hold property and a share in the inheritance, 1400 years ago.

    I do not want to blame the Christians. They have what they have. But they should compare their beliefs by their book, not by the present day standards of life. The present day improvements are not due to any church teachings. They are a combined effort of all world people.

  14. When your religion encourages you to slaughter all others and you actively believe it literally and kill Christians as in Syria and …

    • “Bible blames the woman (Eve) about eating the apple and misguiding her man (Adam). The Quran does not do that. Islam gave the right to woman to hold property and a share in the inheritance, 1400 years ago.”

      It was a fruit, not necessarily an apple.
      The Quran explicitly sets the value of a woman to be half that of a man, half inheritance, half the weight as a witness.

      Jesus did not want us to mix religion and worldy affairs. Matthew 22,21: “And they said unto Him, “Caesar’s.” Then said He unto them, “Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s.””

      • What you are concluding about the half inheritance of a women is misleading and inaccurate. It has to be seen in the full context. The man with his share of the inheritance has to look after all the family. The women with her half share can keep it for herself. Let’s take an example that one man has one wife and five children. Therefore he has to look after 7 persons. The lady with her share has to look after herself only. Who is favored? Obviously the lady.

  15. Sharon, Islam does not encourage us to kill non-believers. You are taking the worst examples from any Muslim, any time in history and then stereotyping all of Islam and all of the Muslims from the worst examples.

    This is like saying, for example, at a given time in a given study 5-10% of population in a Christian country were guilty of incest and there are ten mentions of incest in the Bible.

    If my above claims are true then we can easily generalize from there, as follows.

    So, from that we conclude that Christianity is a religion about incest and all Christians are incestuous, therefore we should ban Christianity in every country of the world?

    But, I know that I am just stereotyping from the worst examples and creating a witch hunt.

    Or let us try this: The First Crusade was a war of aggression four centuries after Jerusalem was taken over by Caliph Umar in a bloodless siege. During the Crusade the Crusaders killed thousands of innocent Muslim women and children.

    Are we to conclude from this that all Christians are war mongers, murderers and cannibals?

    Certainly not, because the Holy Quran tells us:

    O ye who believe! be steadfast in the cause of Allah, bearing witness in equity; and let not a people’s enmity incite you to act otherwise than with justice. Be always just, that is nearer to righteousness. And fear Allah. Surely, Allah is aware of what you do. (Al Quran 5:9)

    And:

    And thou shalt assuredly find those who say, ‘We are Christians,’ to be the nearest of them in love to the believers. That is because amongst them are savants and monks and because they are not proud. (Al Quran 5:83)

    • “This is like saying, for example, at a given time in a given study 5-10% of population in a Christian country were guilty of incest and there are ten mentions of incest in the Bible.

      If my above claims are true then we can easily generalize from there, as follows.

      So, from that we conclude that Christianity is a religion about incest and all Christians are incestuous, therefore we should ban Christianity in every country of the world?”

      Here is where you are wrong: In Christian nations we penalize incest with your offspring, in Norway by up to 6 years imprisonment. Bigamy (and by extension, polygamy) by up to 1 year. Thus we consider polygamy a barbarity, and countries which allow it are seen as having a deficit of culture, but incest, is far worse.

  16. If you would read the verses below, Sharon, you will get the Quranic teachings about defensive war, at a glance, if you are looking for the truth. If you are in search ways to contradict, then after a little discussion, we will have no choice but to moderate your comments.

    First the verses of Sura Hajj, when defensive war was first allowed:

    Permission to fight is given to those against whom war is made, because they have been wronged — and Allah indeed has power to help them — Those who have been driven out from their homes unjustly only because they said, ‘Our Lord is Allah’ — And if Allah did not repel some men by means of others, there would surely have been pulled down cloisters and churches and synagogues and mosques, wherein the name of Allah is oft commemorated. And Allah will surely help one who helps Him. Allah is indeed Powerful, Mighty. (Al Quran 22:40-41)

    Now, read the verses from Sura Baqara, which talk about peace options repeatedly:

    And fight in the cause of Allah against those who fight against you, but do not transgress. Surely, Allah loves not the transgressors.
    And kill them wherever you meet them and drive them out from where they have driven you out; for persecution is worse than killing. And fight them not in, and near, the Sacred Mosque until they fight you therein. But if they fight you, then fight them: such is the requital for the disbelievers.
    But if they desist, then surely Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.
    And fight them until there is no persecution, and religion is freely professed for Allah. But if they desist, then remember that no hostility is allowed except against the aggressors. (Al Quran 2:191-194)

  17. Italy has every right to deny Islam whatever it likes.
    The simple reason, its is their country, their rules. If islam does not like it (toerate it), they can return to any of the war torn Islamic dominated countries. No-one in the world will be disappointed.

  18. Italy is a big country, mostly Christians. They should think over that there are many Christians in the world. But the next majority is the Muslims.
    Christians will benefit by having good relation with the Muslims. There is no use denying a number two majority religion of the world.
    Perhaps Christians are afraid of the Muslims!

  19. ANswer me this, if islam is such a tolerant religion and people who practice islam are such peaceful people, then why is it that all countries ran under islamic law are over ran with violence and most non moslems are either forced to convert, pay moslems for the right to live ( jizya tax) or slaughtered? Common sense should tell people that if this pattern of violence over running all islamic countries for hundreds of years just keeps on happening, that just maybe islam is NOT a peaceful religion.

    It is obvious that it is islam and it’s teachings and practices that are the problem. We can wipe out militants over and over and more will just pop up like they have been for hundreds of years. Its the same cycle over and over again and that should make it obvious that the problem isn’t militant, and it isn’t radicalization because if islam was teaching positive ideas and practices, there would be little room to twist it’s meanings into such violence by SO MANY people. Have you ever heard the term “Radicalized Christian”? That is because the old testament was changed into the NEW testament to clarify the teachings for todays Christians. Yes the Old testament is still there, but Christians don’t follow it’s outdated teachings anymore as some of them may be destructive in todays day and age. ( Having many wives in a time of overpopulation and corporal punishment when it is deemed by society to be barbaric are a couple of examples) SO when you moslems scream about “moderate or radicalized moslems”, I ask them why we never have to use the terms “radicalized CHristians, Jews,” or any other organized religious group. What about “moderate KKK members”? You moslems can talk till your blue in the face about what good and peaceful people you are, but until the actions of moslems worldwide stop being over all destructive and violent, anyone with any common sense wont believe you. We will believe what we see not what you say! You wouldn’t have to be constantly trying to convince everyone that islam is “a peaceful religion” if moslems weren’t so busy acting like a destructive supremacist organization!

  20. ‘And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing’ – Quran (2:191-193)

  21. Fitnah does not mean disbelief but persecution and here is the translation, with the context. The Quran is describing a state of defensive war, for the Muslims, as it highlights need to take every opportunity for peace:

    And fight in the cause of Allah against those who fight against you, but do not transgress. Surely, Allah loves not the transgressors.

    And kill them wherever you meet them and drive them out from where they have driven you out; for persecution is worse than killing. And fight them not in, and near, the Sacred Mosque until they fight you therein. But if they fight you, then fight them: such is the requital for the disbelievers.

    But if they desist, then surely Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.

    And fight them until there is no persecution, and religion is freely professed for Allah. But if they desist, then remember that no hostility is allowed except against the aggressors.

    The violation of a Sacred Month should be retaliated in the Sacred Month; and for all sacred things there is the law of retaliation. So, whoso transgresses against you, punish him for his transgression to the extent to which he has transgressed against you. And fear Allah and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

    (Al Quran 2:191-195)

  22. Muslims are so delusional. Actions speak loader than words. Your sharia law stinks and gives women no fair rights.
    You kill in the name of god. God created man in his own image, so why would god permit the killing of his creation? ONLY IN ISLAM.
    The Bible clearly states that you shall never kill someone under any circumstance, yet the Quran allows it, which is clearly used by Muslims as a perfect excuse to murder hence why so much trouble exists in the world.

    Stop trying to convince us about Islam being peaceful, your religion sucks.

    • Pete: what bible did the crusaders and the colonizers read? They murdered in the name of the father, the son and the holy ghost almost the entire American (North, Central and South) population, not to speak of Australia and Africa/Asia… Pete is blind. I say: just as Christians mis-read the intentions of the bible so do some Muslims mis-read the intention of the Qur’an. We have more in common than you think, the good and the wrong…

  23. @Peaceful haha (Sept 29):
    ‘And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing’ – Quran (2:191-193)
    —————————————-
    Already Zia H. Shah sahib has presented the right translation of the verses mentioned above. But it had no meaning, no effect on the opponents of Islam. I am presenting the correct translation of the verses 2:191-193 again. Please find any fault with the words and do not blame Islam for the bad deeds of some fanatic Muslims.
    – – – – – – – – – – –
    [‘And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [pesecution] is worse than killing’ – Quran (2:191-193)

    [2:191] And fight in the cause of Allah against those who fight against you, but do not transgress. Surely, Allah loves not the transgressors.

    [2:192] And kill them wherever you meet them and drive them out from where they have driven you out; for persecution is worse than killing. And fight them not in, and near, the Sacred Mosque until they fight you therein. But if they fight you, then fight them: such is the requital for the disbelievers. ]
    ” And kill them…” is for those who persecute innocent people and turn them out of their homes…. They are called kafir. That means they are fanatic, hostile disbelievers who kill the Muslims. It is allowed to kill them where ever they are found.
    There is nothing wrong with the teachings of the Quran. If the teaching is being misused by the fanatic Muslims then they should be punished with death and Islam should not be blamed.
    If any one will blame Islam, it means he/she is supporting the terrorists.

  24. Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”

  25. To cut of the hands of thiefs is just pure hatred for poor people. Islam treats women like second class citizens and belongs in the dark ages.
    You hate art? Wtf…
    Killing of an innocent is considered genocide, but to your fascistic beliefs the “infidel” is not innocent. Religion is intellectually handicapped. Belive in god not corrupted religion.
    Wrong to kill a primate? Yes, killing anything you don’t have to is wrong.

    Stop mission your fucked up beliefs I Europe, we finally got rid of Christianity, love is our religion

    • anders: you do not have a clue. I have two wives and both are bossing me around. It is like anywhere in the world. Just because they are polite in public does not mean they are not the bosses at home.

  26. Those women are not here to tell who is bossing who around. One cannot rely on the words of a misogynist.

  27. Zia, each time I ask you which of Muhammad’s 68 wars he instigated in the last 10 years of his life were defensive, you delete the post instead of answering the question. So, were the destruction of the Jewish settlements in Yathrib and the community of Mustaquil defensive?

  28. Namelee and Zia.
    I want to suggest you please do not argument Islam based on the men created books–such as the book of Hadith, History book of Prophet or his companions,
    because the men created books are not not the true history of prophet Muhammad(pbuh ), or history of Islam.

    Just west your time , and you can not get the truth at all…because based on false books. Thanks

    Was Salam
    With love

  29. @ Zia Shah–it seem to me that now, you are still supporting the ancient Islamic laws such as;

    An adulterer is to be punished with 100 stripes according to the Holy Quran, where is the room for rape?

    Theft is to be punished by cutting of hands, which can be implemented literally, metaphorically and creatively to prevent violence and crime.

    If you are an atheist, tell me why killing a primate or an ape is wrong, according to your ideology.

    Is this your opinion or Muslim Ahmadiyah’s belief?

    Extremist Muslim, terrorist are still implementing all ancient Islamic laws…

    Could you tell us what else are the differences between Extremist and Muslim Ahmadiyah? besides ; anti violence and follow Secular-democratic system.

    We want to know better about Muslim Ahmadiyah stand for in implementing Islamic laws.

    Was Salam
    With love

  30. TMT begins the New Year with one of the most heinous attacks on the basic human rights, that of free speech and the right to differ in thought.
    At least four(4) of my comments have been ‘moderated’ out of existence by being sent to the web’s black hole just this morning. That foretells of things to come. When the site bombards itself with shouts of ‘free speech’, ‘secularism’, ‘democracy’ and every other benefit associated with a free society, those who know better see through the meaningless gimmick.

    • Your comments are being moderated because you lack the way to decently communicate. Also many of your questions or opinions have been clarified again and again, of which you do not take notice. But keep trying: if you manage to be somewhat polite it might meet TMTs standard.

      • @ Dear Rafiq and Zia—-If you do not mind I would like to suggest you both regarding freedom of speech or hate speech. Actually, the genuine Islamic teaching is freedom of speech, expression and religion, and there is no compulsory and force. That makes Islam is peaceful religion.

        Hopefully, TMT will not repeat the mistake of extremist Muslim. Extremist Muslim created a blasphemy laws, in order they can ban, punish to death whose who insult Islam or prophet.

        What is the definition of insulting Islam, hate speech etc ?

        Extremist Muslim set their own interpretation of insulting Islam.
        For example; They accuse Muslim Ahmadiyah, Shia, etc are insulting Islam, because the do not follow their own interpretation of Islam. They think that their own interpretation of Islam is the right one, and others are false, and should be banned and punished. They are wrong side.

        So if TMT set their own interpretation of hate speech, or insulting Islam or Ahmadiyah and then you delete or ban him. I believe that there is no difference between Muslim Ahmadiyah and Extremist Muslim who have been punishing Ahmadiyah for decades.

        Hopefully Raziq and Zia can follow Prophet Muhammad(pbuh);
        You can not force them to follow your rule, every one has the right to speak what they want to tell. Your duty is to remind those who insult Islam or Ahmadiyah etc

        A wise man when he talks will make others happy, but idiot or stupid one try to hurt some one.

        A wise leader listen wisely to all people, he never hurt someone,but a bad leader punish idiot people.

        Hopefully, Rafiq and Zia stand for Secular-democracy, liberty and freedom of speech, expression and religion.

        Let us make the year 2016 will be a blessing, wonderful year. Amen
        I wish you all here a blessed Holiday and happy New year 2016.

        Was salam
        With love

  31. Namelee we allow your free speech as above but need to exclude your hate speech. If you can self censor it will make our job easier. Happy new year to you.

    • Dear Zia—Those who does hates speech is usually not a good man, or not wise man–but idiot one, you do not need to pay attention–you do not need to hurt him by deleting his article.
      We can not draw the red line of hate speech—every one has interpretation, so that is why in secular democratic system stand for freedom of speech and expression.

      Hopefully, TMT really stand for liberty, and freedom of speech and expression.
      Only extremist government limit the freedom of speech and expression such as Saudi Arabia etc.

      Was salam
      With love

  32. Rafiq, in 2014, you asked Pete, which Bible the crusaders and colonizers read, because according to you, they ‘murdered’ the indigenous populations of the Americas, Africa/Asia? What did you base your claim on? The jihadists based their rampage on the quran. The Crusaders were motivated by the drive to reclaim what was theirs.
    The Crusaders have always been presented in the poorest of lights by the ignorant or the devious and, in some cases, by both. The crusades were limited self defensive actions taken to cast off almost 500 years of Islamic yoke on the Christians of the Holy Land. The objective was limited to the Holy Land. It did not seek to dislodge islam from Saudi Arabia or the other territories it had conquered by the sword. To present the Crusaders as the guilty ones is to reward the aggressor and lay down the rule that aggression is profitable or as they say, ‘might is right’.
    The African and Asian populations were decimated, not by European colonizers, but by genocidal muslim armies who went hunting and haunting for slaves, killing and pillaging. It has not yet ended but at its peak, it did at least four times the harm that the trans-Atlantic slavery did to the people of Africa. Under Islamic rule, India was to lose about 100 million of its citizens.
    It was islam that first colonized Europe for at least 800 years during which time that continent was mercilessly raped and its advanced civilization laid waste by the jackboot a worse than barbarian hordes. The table turned for only a few years after the Barbary pirate states, which menaced the Atlantic and the Mediterranean, were sent to oblivion. Even a young country like the United States was not spared the harsh treatment of paying tribute to the pirates which went to increase the coffers of the rogue sultan in Constantinople, now Istanbul.
    The problem muslims have with European colonization is that it ended the doctrine and practice of dhimmitude. That freed the non muslims who were held in utter contempt as inferior beings by their muslim tormentors. The muslims hated the equal status the Europeans gave to the ex-dhimmis who ceased to be chattels owned by their slave masters.

    • I do not know what history books Namelee reads.Europe’s ‘Renaissance’ started due to the high educational and scientific level of Arab Spain and Arab Sicily. There was no ‘advanced civilization’ in Europe at the time. All history books I read state that.

  33. Zia,
    What you call hate speech is anything which is factual and conflicts with your subjective world view. The moment a comment deviates from your pre-conceived direction, you brand it ‘hate speech’. Had I been white, I would have been a racist by now. None of those matters to me.
    Though the truth is bitter, it should always be accorded its pride of place. Muhammad said his movement is both government and religion. For that reason it is political and should not be shielded from scrutiny which you mischievously call ‘hate speech’.

  34. Rafiq,
    My language is no more impolite than yours or that of the others at TMT. You are not in a position to know how what you say hurts the other person because you are not at the receiving end.
    My post of today were deleted not because the language was uncouth or the subject matters had been clarified’ before. It stems from simple intolerance.
    The history I am familiar with tells me that,an edifice as magnificent as the Hagia Sofia in Constantinople, the aqueducts in Rome, the Appian ways, the Greek temples, the library of Ptolemy were built long before the Renaissance. During Muhammad’s time, the Quraish did not have a carpenter to reroof the kaaba. They had to give the job to a Copt, an Egyptian whose country had been ruled at various times by Greece and Rome. The Arabs lived in caves and huts and were awed by Damascus which had been made a cosmopolitan metropolis by the European rulers.
    There are roads in the English countryside, still in use, which were built during the rule of Julius Caesar.
    I am more familiar with that history than anything cooked up by romanticized historians.

  35. Zia,
    The Europeans could not learn the ‘ethics of war’ from Saladin whose ethics consisted of killing black soldiers who served under him for alleged mutiny and selling prisoners to enrich his treasury. The latter acts were regarded by his admirers as humane since he had power over the lives of his captives.
    The same thing that Boko Haram would say for constantly abducting women and girls for various purposes including suicide bombings. On Monday, just after last Christmas, 80 people were killed in Northern Nigeria, including 30 who were pulverized by female suicide bombers. Those killings derived their legitimacy from the same source as Saladin’s ‘ethics of war’.

  36. I am grateful to live in a country in which I am free to speak my mind. For instance, I am free to say that I do not recognize islam as a religion. I believe islam is a cult. A cult of oppression and conquest. I believe mohammad was a fraud.
    If I were in a country where the muslim population is over 90%, (Iran, Afghanistan) would I be allowed to say those things and continue to be alive? I seriously doubt it.

  37. Hello again.

    I refer to my reply some minutes ago.

    I have been interested in Islam for many years. It started because of travelling some in some Muslim countries. I bought Abdullah Yusuf Ali’s English translation of the Quran and read it, in order to understand the religion and the Muslim culture. But I butted up against the errors in the book – f.x. the astronomy there, (but also others). Any god had known that the Greek/Persian astronomy was wrong.

    I wrote my “reply” a little inpolite to provoke an answer to my conundrum: What is the explanation of the errors in the Quran?

    Or perhaps you know somebody who can give me an answer?

    Regards
    Martin A. Engeset
    Engesetv. 135
    6153 Ørsta
    martinengeset_operamail@fastmail.com

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