We have to differentiate between Science and pseudo-science.
One should also watch this video to determine how much “false assumptions” and “blind faith” play a role in the world of science in the name of science.
I believe that the theory of evolution should be understood as three different issues. Firstly, the common ancestry of all animals and plants, secondly, the mechanisms for evolution and thirdly whether evolution is completely blind or guided in some sense. The truth of some facts in evolution does not imply the truth of every thing under the umbrella of evolution.
The common ancestry of all animals and plants on our planet is a fact, which is beyond any doubt, for those well versed in the field of biology, especially molecular biology.
One needs to have a nuance position about evolution to be perfectly enlightened.
Even though the common ancestry is a fact, the implications that common lineage has for the Creator or lack there of, is metaphysics and not science and for discussing science, we should limit ourselves to discussion of common ancestry.
The truth of Islam as opposed to Christianity and existence of a Creator is proven in the following articles:
Darwin said that there has been a change in kind of species through evolution.
Since scientific fact must be backed by scientific observations, and not by ‘blind faith’ or assumption, can any one give one example of an observable evidence of change of one kind of family of animals to another, like cat family and canine family, either at molecular level or at any higher level that can be observable without an assumption?
Just like one believes blindly in the “Unseen God” based on philosophical reasoning and observations made regarding the presence of Intelligence experienced everywhere, yet the assertion of God’ existence is rejected because it is still blind faith and not scientific; in the same vein all the articles presented to prove evolution are not more than philosophical arguments proving the evolutionary assumptions, regardless whether observed at macro level or at molecular level, but no direct evidence, still using the same blind faith that one uses in Creationism.
Creationism versus evolution reminds me the polemics of Socialism Versus Capitalism with both lacking science and using too many assumption.
I am sorry if I gave you the impression that I was arguing. I thought I was discussing on this interesting topic.
In discussions we exchange informations that make both side wiser at the end. I do believe in One Creator-God because of my own personal observation, reflections, inferences, and conclusions, but I still cannot claim that I have a scientific proof that there is a God, yet I feel very comfortable and content with my personal conclusion that there is An Intelligence out there.
I would respect all those who believe that they evolved from Apes for their own reasons, inferences and personal conclusion, but to insist that they have a scientific proof that evolution is occurring or has occurred based on their observation centered around assumptions is not different from Creationists trying to prove scientifically and utterly failing.
My previous comment only raised the inquiry whether scientists can give just one example of an observable evidence of change of one kind of family of animals to another, like cat family and canine family, either at molecular level or at any higher level that can be observable without an assumption. I believe my question was valid and legitimate which deserved a specific answer and not to be trivialized by your response of “… if you just want to argue …”
It is true when you said that “millions and billions are arguing the topic, while sticking to their preconceived ideas.”, but doesn’t it also mean that these “pre-conceived ideas” are not necessarily prevalent exclusively among the Creationists, that are rampant even in the minds of ‘evolutionists’, that both the groups are exploiting science.
BTW, I have few friends some of them happen to be scientists, two of them geneticists, who have not been able to reconcile with so many bugs in the theory, especially when looking at it at molecular level, in addition to the information emerging from the new epigenetic system that molecular biologists exploring beyond what the genes had revealed.
If we can divide humans into hardware and software, then the hardware is clearly similar to that of the apes, as noted in the similarity of enzymes and genetic materials, a few examples are mentioned in the article that I have linked above.
Scientists have good proof for the hardware of humans having come from the apes and there is no use denying it, as it only exposes ignorance and adamant behavior of the believers, who choose to do that.
As regards our language, scientists do not have good evidence to explain it completely on evolutionary basis.
What we speak and how we think certainly has basis in revelation and that is from God, indeed.
Based on your assertion: “If we can divide humans into hardware and software, then the hardware is clearly similar to that of the apes, as noted in the similarity of enzymes and genetic materials…”, which I fully agree because it is so obvious and one doesn’t have to be ‘evolutionist’ to understand it.
However, this assertion (kind of an observation) only points out that all the different kinds of “hardware” (using your terminology) present in nature were made by the same “Manufacturer”, because of the same biological processes, but assuming beyond that, and surmising that one kind of hardware evolved into another kind of hardware still remain unanswered.
The article you referred failed even to attempt whether anyone has ever found an ‘observable’ evidence of change of one kind of family of animals to another, the rest was irrelevant to my question.
For a believer of God it does not make a difference whether Adam evolved from one cell, or whether each form of life was created separately.
We are looking for a scientific answer. While Creationists fail to give any scientific basis to explain what they believe, so also the evolutionists theory is based on assumption and blind faith as if it is a religion and keep insisting that scientists have a proof.
Evolutionists fail to recognize that genetic differences are more important than the genetic similarities between Human Beings & Chimps. When comparing the Human genome with the genomes of other animals, the human beings share 96% of their genes with the chimpanzees, 80% with mice, 40% with round worms and 30% with the yeast.
Based on similarities, are evolutionists going to claim that yeast is 30% human, round worms are 40% human and Chimps are 96% human!!!
The explanation is that in spite of the similarity in genes in these organisms compared to human beings, the differences are due to the genes and proteins interacting in complex ways that multiply the functions of each. Also, a gene is capable of producing more than one protein through alternative splicing . In other word, there is no correlation between the number of genes and the complexity of the organism. Rather the differences are closely associated with which tissue the coded information in the genes are needed to be expressed, and also when, how and to what degree.
Although there is more genetic similarity than the differences between human beings and other living creatures, the differences are the ones (not the similarities) that have allowed the human beings to dominate the entire earth’s ecosystem with its living creatures.
The evidence for common ancestry of all life forms is not a mere faith of the scientists, but, clear proofs coming from different fields of science, collected over the last two centuries, be it biogeography, fossil record, comparative anatomy or molecular biology.
When Pope John Paul II conceded the truth of the theory of evolution after a century and a half of struggle, in 1996, he was actually giving up the very foundation of Christianity, based on the Original Sin, as the theory of evolution shows us that Adam and Eve were not the first human couple. He did this as he found it more convenient to fudge the theology of Original Sin than to fight the arguments for evolution.
No sensible designer will put a broken carburetor alongside a functional one, just for the fun of it, as he designs a new model for the new year. The humans have a broken enzyme for vitamin C, which is also broken in all the other apes, but, is intact in monkeys. The only sensible explanation for this observation is common descent. The enzyme got broken at some point and all the future progeny inherited the broken enzyme. This cannot be explained by a Designer using same or similar parts in different animals.
Common ancestry explains the countless observations coming from different fields of science, whereas the excuse that the Creationist offer, at best, works only for the limited scenario that they try to build to refute each individual argument in favor of evolution or common ancestry.
To demand a monkey to change into a human or a cat into a tiger, in front of our eyes, is a childish trick and not real argument, as the theory suggests that changes have occurred over thousands of generations and millions of years.
There is no problem for muslims to accept micro evolution in animals and plants since this theory does not contradict Quran or hadith.
But the evolution of animals and plants must be divinely guided since it cannot happen simply by chance.
Just like the big bang must be Divinly invented becuase usually expolsions cause chaos rather than system in harmony.
I agree with Zia that language is a strong proof for revelations.
Also other signs that prove God exists and that human are complete different creation from animals and plants; is the fact that Allah (swt) made human beings civilised, have moral values, intellect, speech and soul.
Not so fast.
We have to differentiate between Science and pseudo-science.
One should also watch this video to determine how much “false assumptions” and “blind faith” play a role in the world of science in the name of science.
Read on, and in the words of Sir Francis Bacon’s advice, “Read not to contradict … but to weigh and consider.”
Here is the evidence for evolution, by which I mean common ancestry of all life forms on planet earth:
Biogeography: One of the best proofs for Darwin-Wallace theory of evolution
Molecular Biology: A Checkmate to Creationism
I believe that the theory of evolution should be understood as three different issues. Firstly, the common ancestry of all animals and plants, secondly, the mechanisms for evolution and thirdly whether evolution is completely blind or guided in some sense. The truth of some facts in evolution does not imply the truth of every thing under the umbrella of evolution.
The common ancestry of all animals and plants on our planet is a fact, which is beyond any doubt, for those well versed in the field of biology, especially molecular biology.
One needs to have a nuance position about evolution to be perfectly enlightened.
Even though the common ancestry is a fact, the implications that common lineage has for the Creator or lack there of, is metaphysics and not science and for discussing science, we should limit ourselves to discussion of common ancestry.
The truth of Islam as opposed to Christianity and existence of a Creator is proven in the following articles:
Pope John Paul II and Me: ‘Truth Cannot Contradict Truth!’
Ten Raised to Five Hundred Reasons for Our Gracious God
A challenge for Dawkins: Where did carbon come from?
Darwin said that there has been a change in kind of species through evolution.
Since scientific fact must be backed by scientific observations, and not by ‘blind faith’ or assumption, can any one give one example of an observable evidence of change of one kind of family of animals to another, like cat family and canine family, either at molecular level or at any higher level that can be observable without an assumption?
Just like one believes blindly in the “Unseen God” based on philosophical reasoning and observations made regarding the presence of Intelligence experienced everywhere, yet the assertion of God’ existence is rejected because it is still blind faith and not scientific; in the same vein all the articles presented to prove evolution are not more than philosophical arguments proving the evolutionary assumptions, regardless whether observed at macro level or at molecular level, but no direct evidence, still using the same blind faith that one uses in Creationism.
Creationism versus evolution reminds me the polemics of Socialism Versus Capitalism with both lacking science and using too many assumption.
Dear Jaseem Pasha, if you want to see fool proof evidence for common ancestry then please read the article:
Molecular Biology: A Checkmate to Creationism
However, if you just want to argue, then obviously millions or billions are arguing this topic, while sticking to their preconceived ideas.
I am sorry if I gave you the impression that I was arguing. I thought I was discussing on this interesting topic.
In discussions we exchange informations that make both side wiser at the end. I do believe in One Creator-God because of my own personal observation, reflections, inferences, and conclusions, but I still cannot claim that I have a scientific proof that there is a God, yet I feel very comfortable and content with my personal conclusion that there is An Intelligence out there.
I would respect all those who believe that they evolved from Apes for their own reasons, inferences and personal conclusion, but to insist that they have a scientific proof that evolution is occurring or has occurred based on their observation centered around assumptions is not different from Creationists trying to prove scientifically and utterly failing.
My previous comment only raised the inquiry whether scientists can give just one example of an observable evidence of change of one kind of family of animals to another, like cat family and canine family, either at molecular level or at any higher level that can be observable without an assumption. I believe my question was valid and legitimate which deserved a specific answer and not to be trivialized by your response of “… if you just want to argue …”
It is true when you said that “millions and billions are arguing the topic, while sticking to their preconceived ideas.”, but doesn’t it also mean that these “pre-conceived ideas” are not necessarily prevalent exclusively among the Creationists, that are rampant even in the minds of ‘evolutionists’, that both the groups are exploiting science.
BTW, I have few friends some of them happen to be scientists, two of them geneticists, who have not been able to reconcile with so many bugs in the theory, especially when looking at it at molecular level, in addition to the information emerging from the new epigenetic system that molecular biologists exploring beyond what the genes had revealed.
Once again. thanks for publishing my comment.
If we can divide humans into hardware and software, then the hardware is clearly similar to that of the apes, as noted in the similarity of enzymes and genetic materials, a few examples are mentioned in the article that I have linked above.
Scientists have good proof for the hardware of humans having come from the apes and there is no use denying it, as it only exposes ignorance and adamant behavior of the believers, who choose to do that.
As regards our language, scientists do not have good evidence to explain it completely on evolutionary basis.
What we speak and how we think certainly has basis in revelation and that is from God, indeed.
Based on your assertion: “If we can divide humans into hardware and software, then the hardware is clearly similar to that of the apes, as noted in the similarity of enzymes and genetic materials…”, which I fully agree because it is so obvious and one doesn’t have to be ‘evolutionist’ to understand it.
However, this assertion (kind of an observation) only points out that all the different kinds of “hardware” (using your terminology) present in nature were made by the same “Manufacturer”, because of the same biological processes, but assuming beyond that, and surmising that one kind of hardware evolved into another kind of hardware still remain unanswered.
The article you referred failed even to attempt whether anyone has ever found an ‘observable’ evidence of change of one kind of family of animals to another, the rest was irrelevant to my question.
For a believer of God it does not make a difference whether Adam evolved from one cell, or whether each form of life was created separately.
We are looking for a scientific answer. While Creationists fail to give any scientific basis to explain what they believe, so also the evolutionists theory is based on assumption and blind faith as if it is a religion and keep insisting that scientists have a proof.
Evolutionists fail to recognize that genetic differences are more important than the genetic similarities between Human Beings & Chimps. When comparing the Human genome with the genomes of other animals, the human beings share 96% of their genes with the chimpanzees, 80% with mice, 40% with round worms and 30% with the yeast.
Based on similarities, are evolutionists going to claim that yeast is 30% human, round worms are 40% human and Chimps are 96% human!!!
The explanation is that in spite of the similarity in genes in these organisms compared to human beings, the differences are due to the genes and proteins interacting in complex ways that multiply the functions of each. Also, a gene is capable of producing more than one protein through alternative splicing . In other word, there is no correlation between the number of genes and the complexity of the organism. Rather the differences are closely associated with which tissue the coded information in the genes are needed to be expressed, and also when, how and to what degree.
Although there is more genetic similarity than the differences between human beings and other living creatures, the differences are the ones (not the similarities) that have allowed the human beings to dominate the entire earth’s ecosystem with its living creatures.
That’s my 2 cents.
The evidence for common ancestry of all life forms is not a mere faith of the scientists, but, clear proofs coming from different fields of science, collected over the last two centuries, be it biogeography, fossil record, comparative anatomy or molecular biology.
When Pope John Paul II conceded the truth of the theory of evolution after a century and a half of struggle, in 1996, he was actually giving up the very foundation of Christianity, based on the Original Sin, as the theory of evolution shows us that Adam and Eve were not the first human couple. He did this as he found it more convenient to fudge the theology of Original Sin than to fight the arguments for evolution.
No sensible designer will put a broken carburetor alongside a functional one, just for the fun of it, as he designs a new model for the new year. The humans have a broken enzyme for vitamin C, which is also broken in all the other apes, but, is intact in monkeys. The only sensible explanation for this observation is common descent. The enzyme got broken at some point and all the future progeny inherited the broken enzyme. This cannot be explained by a Designer using same or similar parts in different animals.
Common ancestry explains the countless observations coming from different fields of science, whereas the excuse that the Creationist offer, at best, works only for the limited scenario that they try to build to refute each individual argument in favor of evolution or common ancestry.
To demand a monkey to change into a human or a cat into a tiger, in front of our eyes, is a childish trick and not real argument, as the theory suggests that changes have occurred over thousands of generations and millions of years.
There is no problem for muslims to accept micro evolution in animals and plants since this theory does not contradict Quran or hadith.
But the evolution of animals and plants must be divinely guided since it cannot happen simply by chance.
Just like the big bang must be Divinly invented becuase usually expolsions cause chaos rather than system in harmony.
I agree with Zia that language is a strong proof for revelations.
Also other signs that prove God exists and that human are complete different creation from animals and plants; is the fact that Allah (swt) made human beings civilised, have moral values, intellect, speech and soul.