TV One Debate: Controversy over fate of the Ahmadiyya
English Summary by : By: Aftab Lubis
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Editors Note:
Following is the English summary of the video above prepared by one of our reader Mr Aftab Lubis. We are very grateful to Mr Lubis for preparing this comprehensive summary for our readers.
Word of thanks also to Mr Abdul Latif, a regular commentator on the Muslim Times for facilitating the translation.
Background:
Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono receives a religious tolerance award in May 2013.The debate is about whether religious tolerance has really been practiced in the country considering that there are still some oppressive attacks towards minorities including Ahmadiyya Jamaat.
Panelists:
Panelists are Indonesian National Jamaat Public Affair Zafarullah Pontoh sahib and an Indonesian Religious Affair officer.
Debate:
Moderator initially contradicts the fact that the President receives an award while attacks toward Ahmadiyya Jamaat are still going on. The officer replies that back in 2010 Government offers 3 options to the Jamaat.
First is to stop any Promised Messiah AS' teaching propagation if Jamaat considers themselves as Muslims.
Second option is to call themselves something else beside Muslims.
Third is to totally banned the Jamaat.
After negotiation between Government and Indonesian Jamaat, a decree was issued. The decree is to ban Jamaat in propagating Promised Messiah AS' teaching and there are punitive consequences towards those who attack Jamaat.
The officer then says so far Jamaat has not been fully obeying the decree. Promised Messiah AS' teaching is still being used as guidance in Jamaat activities. Government, through Indonesian Ulama Majlis, still believes that Tadzkirah is Jamaat’s Holy book.
Public Affair secretary replies back that Jamaat’s Holy book is Al-Quran ul Karim. Tadzkirah is the Promised Messiah AS' writing where there are some references taken from Al-Quran ul Karim.
He also reaffirms that Jamaat’s concept of Khattman Nabiyin does not close the door of prophethood after the Holy Prophet Muhammad SAW.
[The recording ends]
Categories: Ahmadiyyat: True Islam, Asia, Indonesia, Religion, Video
Could our dear sister have edited this video with English subtitles before posting it on TMT?
I request one of our Indonesian reader to kindly translate it in points for us.
It’s double Dutch-Indnesia was under Dutch while Hadhrat Maulana Rehmatullah Ali was preaching Ahmadiyyat there. All Ahmadiyya missionaries played a significant role in the struggle for independence which was duly recorded and appreciated by the late president Sokarno of Indonesia.I have had the PRIVILEDGE of meeting Maulana Rehmatullah Ali and listening from him many tales in 1950’s in Lahore.It would be very useful if this TV Video is presented in English so that people around the Globe could understand it.
Trying to get a native speaker to translate and Insha Allah will be posted ASAP
There seem to be 3 parts to this TV debate, the one posted here is only the first part. However, the arguments are rather repetitive. consequently it would be nice to have a summary of the debate, a ‘word-by-word’ translation is not really essential.
Could you pl arrange translation of this TV talk at least in English if not both in English and Urdu for the benefit of majority of Ahmadies world over.
English summary by Mr Aftab Lubis has been added.