What Muslims and the Quran Say About Jesus, Christmas and the Virgin Birth

Suggested Reading: Merry Christmas to the 300 million Orthodox Christian brothers and sisters; celebrating on Jan 7

Source: Newsweek

By Cristina Maza, who is an award-winning journalist who has reported from countries such as Cambodia, Kyrgyzstan, India, Lithuania, Serbia, and Turkey. She previously worked as a reporter for the Phnom Penh Post in Cambodia, and as a reporting fellow covering energy and cybersecurity for the Christian Science Monitor in Washington D.C.

When people think about Christmas, the first thing that comes to mind probably isn’t the Quran, the central religious text of Islam

Many people assume that the world’s major monotheistic religions differ greatly. But Islam and Christianity share some very basic ideas about who Jesus was and how he lived. The name Jesus is mentioned at least 25 times in the Quran, and many other references are made to the son of Mary or Christ the messenger of Allah.

Meanwhile, many details about the birth of Jesus match those found in the New Testament. Muslims, for example, believe in the Virgin Birth, and the Quran also calls Jesus the Messiah.

The earliest texts of the New Testament are believed to have been written between 50 and 62 A.D. by Saint Paul. Muslims believe the Quran was revealed by God to Muhammad verbally through the angel Gabriel beginning in 609 A.D.

Similar to the Gospel of Luke, the Quran describes the conversation between the Angel Gabriel and the Virgin Mary, in which Gabriel tells Mary that she will have a child.

“O Mary! Allah gives thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: His name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the Hereafter and of those nearest to Allah,” reads the Quran 3:45.

“Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, was an apostle of Allah,” adds the Quran 4:171.

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Photos of Jesus are sold next to those of political leaders in Muslim-majority Indonesia. Many details in the Quran about the birth of Jesus match those found in the New Testament.

Meanwhile, the actual birth of Jesus has a central place in Islam and is described in detail in the Quran. Chapter 19 of the Quran is called Maryam, after the Virgin Mary, and describes the Virgin Birth.

But the Quran differs from the New Testament because Jesus was not born in a manger in the Quran’s version. Instead, the Quran describes Mary giving birth under a palm tree.

There are, of course, fundamental differences between the way Christians and Muslims view Jesus and his role. Christians believe Jesus is the savior and the son of God, but Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet, which is how he is described in the Quran. Muslims believe there were a large number of prophets throughout human history, over 120,000 of them, and that the Holy Prophet Muhammad was the last.

Since Muslims believe that Jesus was a human prophet of God, they do not believe in his divinity. Instead, Muslims believe that the name Son of God was used in a metaphorical sense to refer to one of God’s chosen prophets.

Tens of thousands of Shiite Muslims march peacefully in Baghdad with portraits of Shiite leader Al-Sistani, Jesus and the Imam Hussain. Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet, which is how he is described in the Quran. Getty Images

“I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet,” Jesus says in 19:30, Yusif Ali, one of the most popular translations of the Quran into English.

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    • Khalid — what do the think these verses!
      Where our prophet impose Jews and Christian to pay Jizyaa or tax! Which one you believe between:
      This verse is wrong, mistake or corrupted— OR
      Our prophet imposed badly Jews and Christian?

      Contemplate this verses
      So, when the sacred months expire, kill the Mushriks wherever you find them, and catch them and besiege them and sit in ambush for them everywhere. Q.9:5

      Fight those People of the Book who do not believe in Allah, nor in the Last Day, 8 and do not take as unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have declared as unlawful, and do not profess the Faith of Truth; (fight them) until they pay jizyah with their own hands while they are subdued. Q. 9:29.
      Your respond please
      ❤️

  1. Somi, jizyAa is Tax. The holy prophet (saw) asked the non Muslims to pay tax as muslims were paying zakaat and donations already of their share and the non Muslims members of community needed to become contributing members of society not free loaders. Your have to see the big picture that he was trying to build a society that could become self reliant.

    • Ok that is reasonable , it is logic answer, how about verse Q9:5.
      Do you think our prophet kill musykun?
      Whereas other verse say that not kill a innocent people such ad ( khafir, Jews, Christian, atheist ) .

      Al Qaida killed 3000 innocent people in NWT 11/9
      Because of this verse Q9:5
      ❤️

      • Pls read 9:5 in context with verses before and after- the verse before describes to be tolerant and nice to Mushrekeen who have fulfilled their treaties and have not helped anyone in their fights against the Muslims- so essentially 9:5 is about those mushrekeen only who break their war treaties and plan attacks or help those who attack Muslims- and there is nothing unfair about it, this principle applies to even the modern day wars- those who break war treaties are heavily punished. The actions of 9:11 are the personal interpretations and actions of some brainwashed fanatics which has nothing to do with this verse- I can bet that majority of those even haven’t read this verse

  2. MAC— you have a good respond and understanable.
    This veses are multiple interpretation, if there are a law that has more than one meaning, should be declared INVALID law and corrected, othewise other extremist will kill more innocent people years ahead.

    If we want to defeat the extremist ideology we have to reform the Holy Quran and abolish all violent verses and multiple meaning. This is the best solution available right now.
    If we do not reform the Islamic teaching, do you think this killing innocent people will stop? I do not think so.

    You know obviously that Al Qaida killed 3000 innocent people in 11/9 because they followed the order from Al Quran and the sunnah.
    Al Qaida did not want to see American army stay in Arab land. They wanted to expel all American army from Arab land. Al Qaida followed the sunnah.

    Sahih Muslim 33—”I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah”
    Sahih Muslim 4366—“ I will expel the Jews and Christian from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim”

    COMMANDMENT OF GOD: Follow Allah and His Messenger Q 4:59.
    Sahih Muslim 33—”I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah”
    Sahih Muslim 4366—“ I will expel the Jews and Christian from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim”
    Al Qaida followed that verses above and The sunnah ( Hadith)

    Do you have a reasonable interpretation.?
    With ❤️

    • The idea of abolishing certain verses of the Holy Quran is absurd- we either believe that Quran is a word of God, or we don’t- there is no middle way. It’s not an ehics textbook that we can edit at our will.
      And again, the Ahadith you quoted have to be seen in context of the complete life of the Holy Prophet (s.a). Did he actually expel all non-Muslims from Medina? Did he actually kill everyone who didn’t accept him as Prophet? Even the most staunch opponent of him would concede that the answer to both these questions is a resounding No. Therefore, essentially either these Ahadith mean more than just those words (such as being said for the conspiring Jews and Christians) or they are weak in their authenticity.

      • Brother Somi, could you please help me to find the scripture you follow? Is there a copy of the scripture available?

        I studied your website. It was very confusing as the website does not Claim Quran or Bible as Holy Scriptures.

        Please do not refer me to any website. Give me Just the name of Holy Scripture you follow if any.

        Thanks

  3. Somi, when did Al Qaida ever follow the true teachings of Islam? That you are expecting them to be reformed at your will. Good luck, it like saying I can reform serial killers by removing the excuse they used to kill. They’ll just find a different scapegoat

  4. @ Anonymous—- I follow Al Quran and Taurat, Zabur, Injil I do not follow the ancient violent Islamic law: such as:

    1. All violent verses :,9:5,9:29, 5:51, etc
    2. All punishment: beheading, flogging, cut off hand, etc at front of publict
    3. Burqa, hijab, label halal food, Usury etc
    4. Etc

    Those who follow these verses of Al Quran and Bible will be lovely Muslim, tolerant Muslim, generous Muslim, prosperous muslim, peaceful muslim, excellent charecter etc as role model in society.
    Read more here:
    http://ilovemodrenislam.blogspot.com/2017/09/extremist-leader-is-dangerous-for.html?m=1

    Hopefully Rafiq do not delete my respond.
    With ❤️

  5. Brother Simi, your website is very confusing. I got lost there.
    Do you follow any Holy scripture?
    Do you follow six articles of Islam:?(God, Angels, Holy books, Prophets of God, The day of judgment and Predestination.
    Do you follow five pillars of Islam? (shahada, salat, zakat, fasting, especially during Ramadan and Hajj )

    Are you a prophet of a new faith and a new religion?

    Please help me to understand.

    No offense.

    love for all hatred for none.

    • @ Anonimous—- please understand it that our Islamic lawas have many interpretation that why we see to day there are many sects of Muslim: this is the fact and cannot be denied it.

      Most muslim follow Islamic teaching from their parents, they never seek the truth of faith or Islam, include you.

      To konw the truth, we have to investigate all Abrahham religion: Taurat, Zabur, Injil and Al Quran

      Most young Muslim never read and study Taurat, Zabur and Injil.
      Whereas Allah and Prophet command Muslim many tumes to believe and practice all Allah laws professionally.

      If you have read my website, you will find some different Islamic teaching with others.

      For example:
      Ahmadiyyah struggle with closeness God only, neglect to strengthen economy of his fillowers

      My belief : Muslim have to struggle both, otherwise Muslim will live in poverty, or unproductive hands.

      For me base on Al Quran; Islamic laws can be reformed and corrected according to development of science.

      With❤️

  6. Brother Simi, your website is very confusing. I got lost there.
    Do you follow any Holy scripture?
    Do you follow six articles of Islam:?(God, Angels, Holy books, Prophets of God, The day of judgment and Predestination.
    Do you follow five pillars of Islam? (shahada, salat, zakat, fasting, especially during Ramadan and Hajj )

    Are you a prophet of a new faith and a new religion?

    Please help me to understand.

    No offense.

    love for all hatred for none.

    • If we believe in His books what you asked are in His Books.
      The Question is how to follow and interprete His laws?
      So we can see the diversity of interpretation of His verses.
      I think you still follow the ancient interpretation of Islam, but not me. You can see how I interprete His laws according to Modern Time.

      Please seek the truth, do not stop and do not give up.
      You will find the truth for sure.
      With ❤️

  7. There are a lot of similarities in our religions and we see that through our scriptures. Christians and Muslims have very similar views on the birth of Jesus. Some Christians will be able to testify to this by giving you examples from the Old Testament as well. There are many similarities but most importantly our religions teach us peace.

    • From my perspective; Islam teach us first “ LOVE”
      The first and second commandment are LOVE , Not PEACE.
      There is no peace if there is no love, there is peace if there is love.
      God say: do every thing with love!
      ❤️

    • Brother Simi, I asked few questions to understand your faith and religion. It is fine with me if you do not have any. It is your right but please do not dodge my question.

      1-Do you follow any Holy scripture?
      2-Do you follow six articles of Islam:?(God, Angels, Holy books, Prophets of God, The day of judgment and Predestination.
      3-Do you follow five pillars of Islam? (shahada, salat, zakat, fasting, especially during Ramadan and Hajj )
      4-Are you a prophet of a new faith and a new religion?
      5- Have you establish a new faith or religion?
      6- Is there a name for your religion.
      7- Are you a Muslim?
      8- Do you have a definition of a Muslim?

      Please help me to understand.

      No offense.

      love for all hatred for none.

      • Brother Somi, you wrote, “Please seek the truth, do not stop and do not give up. You will find the truth”.

        1-I never said that I have stopped seeking the truth, Where did you get the idea that I have stopped seeking the truth?
        2- What truth you want me to find?
        3- Is there a name for this truth?
        4- If you have no faith or religion, please let me know. I will not ask these questions again.

        Love for all hatred for none.

      • Khalid— all your question can be answered in my website. Read carefully with your open heart and mind.
        Pray to God for help. Without His help, you can do nothing.
        ❤️

      • Khalid ‘s question:
        1-Do you follow any Holy scripture? Bible and Al Quran
        2-Do you follow six articles of Islam:?(God, Angels, Holy books, Prophets of God, The day of judgment and Predestination.—Yes
        3-Do you follow five pillars of Islam? (shahada, salat, zakat, fasting, especially during Ramadan and Hajj ), Yes
        4-Are you a prophet of a new faith and a new religion? No
        5- Have you establish a new faith or religion? Not new religion but I want to correct Islamic teaching that has been contaminated with false Hadith and wrong interpretation of Al Quran
        6- Is there a name for your religion. My teligion is the true Islam
        7- Are you a Muslim? Yes , 100 percent
        8- Do you have a definition of a Muslim? Look at Q. 22:78.
        ❤️
        Read detail here!
        http://ilovemodrenislam.blogspot.com/2017/10/how-to-seek-truth-between-islam-and.html?m=1

      • Lea and Somi, in this world lots of innocent people have become victims of extremists, which when you look at them did lots of things which are against the writings they so called defended. Look at all the raping and killing of the crusaders and all the killings, molesting and raping of the Roman Catholics at the inquisition and the last decades (with all the paedophile acts of their clergy). It would be wrong to take those leaders of false religions as the representers of a certain faith, be it Christendom, Christianity or Islam.

        People should use their brains and analyse all people who come in front of them claiming to be speakers of a god and examine if what they do is in accordance with the Scriptures they say they are following. As such everybody can see that Allquada, ISIS/ISIL or Daesh, Bokoharam, and many other extremist so called Muslim groups are not believers of Allah and not real Muslims, because they do lots of things which is against the spirit of Islam as well as contrary to the spirit of the Quran.

    • Brother Somi, you wrote, , “The first and second commandment is LOVE, Not PEACE”.
      1-Could you please guide me to the scripture that states, “The first and second commandment is LOVE, Not PEACE”.
      2-Please also guide me to the scripture that states, “The third commandment, “There is no peace if there is no love, there is peace if there is love”. The fourth commandment is, “do everything with love!”

      I want to read this Holy scripture.

      No hard feelings.

      Love for all hatred for none.

      • @ Khalid read Bible you can find many wotld “love”
        We can find few of word love in Al Quran

        Matthew 22.37. Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’b 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’c 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

        Al Quran teach us about Justice for all.
        So those who do not read Bible only Al Quran your faith of Islam is not complete yet, that is why Allah command Muslim to believe all His books.

        Unfortunately, your clerics or the extremist clerics deceive Muslim around the world NOT to read Bible.
        That is why thirt heart is filled with HATRED toward others. They teach hatred instead of love all people

        For exsmple:

        Sahih Muslim 4366—“ I will expel the Jews and Christian from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim”
        Sahih Muslim 6922:—Those who changed his Islamic religion, kill them.

        What do you think “ Sahih Muslim”?
        Do you think Sahih Muslim is the true Hadith?

        I strongly urge Ahmadiyyah Muslim to read Bible, you eill find many WISDOM that ligh your life!

        ❤️

    • The big problem with Islam as well as with Christendom that lots of their members have gone far away from the Words of Allah and have preferred to cling to human teachings instead of keeping to the Word of God.

      It are all those false human teachings which create difficulties in this world where the majority loves the world instead of loving God.

  8. Alhamdulillah, Brother Somi you are a Muslim. You got it right.

    A true Muslim encompasses Jews, Christians, and Muslims.

    Hazrat Moses said: Love thy Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. Leviticus 19:18. Lord said, Love thy neighbor as you love yourself. Go not revenge.Deuteronomy 6:5-7

    Hazrat Jesus said,“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and mind.—‘Love your neighbor as yourself.Matthew 22:37-39

    Hazrat Muhammad said: Love for the people what you love for yourself and you will be a Muslim.Tirmidhī 2305. Be good, God loves those who are good.Al-Baqarah 2:195

    Hazrat Mirza Sb, the founder of Ahmadiyyat said. The purpose of my advent is two folded. 1- Love of God, 2- Love of His creation.Mufuzat

    I do not see this purity on your website. I see a lot of hate and rejectionism. Please try to hold everyone together to nourish their goodness in them. Fill their brain with good to the extent that no place is left for evil in their brains.

    If I were admin of your website, I would take off all the hate and criticism of others. I would only pinpoint goodness in others.to flourish the love of God and love of His creation in their hearts.

    Repel evil with good. Q 41:34

    Love for all hatred for none.

  9. Khalid wrote: —-I do not see this purity on your website. I see a lot of hate and rejectionism. Please try to hold everyone together to nourish their goodness in them. Fill their brain with good to the extent that no place is left for evil in their brains——

    I am so sorry you cant see the truth and love..I cannot help you, ask Allah only Allah has the right to pure our heart.
    Love you all
    ❤️
    The extremist Muslim hate so much my website. They do not see the truth and ❤️

    With love

    • Somi, your base is wrong- I mean totally wrong. What all have been trying to tell you is you cannot call yourself a Muslim if you believe in certain parts of Quran and reject others- we can debate about authenticity of some Ahadith, but not Quran- and it’s ok to admit, that you are not a Muslim. Looks like you don’t want to admit this either, and are also not willing to give up on your false interpretations or semi-beliefs either. You can’t have it both ways my friend. Sorry

      • MY CLARIFICATION.
        I do understand your feeling that Most Islamic clerics disagree / reject my interpretation of Islam, specially the extremist Clerics. The extremist accuse me I am not Muslim.

        The foundation of differences are:
        1. I believe and practice Bible and Al Quran as my guidance of Islam. Bible and Al Qurab are Islamic teaching and all prophets were Muslim/ Islam.’But most clerics do not believe actually and reject Bible.

        2. I do not believe and not worship IDOLS ( hadith)
        But most Clerics believe and worship idols from Hadith.

        3. I reject syariah law as the state of law, but extremist Clerics want the syariah law as the state of law.

        4. I believe that syariah laws can be reformed and corrected acccording to condition of place and knowledge, but most cleric believe that syariah laws cannot be reformed for ever.

        5. I believe that Human Right is the tenet if Islamic teaching but most clerics reject Human Right

        6. According to Q.22:78, all Jews, Chtistian and Muslim are Islam, we are all brotherhod in Islam faith, but most clerics hate and hostile toward Jews and Christian. They accuse them unbeliever or infidel, should be discriminate and punish them except God is Allah, Muhammad us His messenger.

        7. I believe that Islamic teaching is concentrating on closeness with God and strengthen economy by following prophet Muhammad how to earn money. But most clerics concentrate on closeness with God, but ignore or neglect to strengthen economy. Most clerics earn money by selling verses of God throught Dakwah.

        The extremist clerics accuse the Progressive Muslim are non Muslim as well Ahmadiyyah, and Shiah.

        Hopefully Allah guide the non progressive Muslim to the right path of Islam. Amen

        With love ❤️
        Happy New Year to You May Allah bless you with joy.

  10. Brother Somi, you called me extremist Muslim. Where did you see hate and extremism in my statement?

    “Hazrat Moses said: Love thy Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. Leviticus 19:18. Lord said, Love thy neighbor as you love yourself. Go not revenge. Deuteronomy 6:5-7

    Hazrat Jesus said, Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and mind.—Love your neighbor as yourself. Matthew 22:37-39

    Hazrat Muhammad said: Love for the people what you love for yourself and you will be a Muslim. Tirmidhī 2305. Be good, God loves those who are good. Q2:195

    Hazrat Mirza Sb, the founder of Ahmadiyyat said. The purpose of my advent is two folded. 1- Love of God, 2- Love of His creation. Mufuzat

    your website is full of hate. “Most Jews, Christians, Muslims are the so-called a bigotry. Rabbi, Priest, and Cleric bring disaster on you. Most of Jews, Christians, Muslim are dishonest so most of them will go to hell. This is hate mongering. Please take out these messages of hate from your website.

    Please hold everyone together and nourish their goodness. Fill their brain with good to the extent that no place is left for evil in their brain” Repel evil with goodness. Q41:34

    Love for all Hatred for none.

  11. Another Sample from this guys website:

    Allah is a single, “Esa”, but Allah’s spirit is many.
    Jesus was born with Allah’s spirit, 100 percent Holy like Allah.
    That is why Christian believe that Jesus is a son of God because of Jesus is100 percent holy like Allah.

    It is very clear that Jesus is Son of God, God is the Father

    • Jesus eat food. We all know what follows when we eat. Allah is not in need of food. And ‘that’ does therefore not follow. How can they be equal. (sorry for this example).

  12. Another Sample from this guys website:
    The guy always put Quran and Muhammad down.Beware of him.
    This guy has this insulting video on his website.

    • Yeah it’s pretty insulting, which shows that either this guy is disillusioned in claiming that he’s a Muslim, or a sheep in wolf’s clothing. I don’t think this is worth wasting any more time

    • Lots of Muslims do forget that there are millions of Christians who do not take Jesus into their god, but accept the ransom offering he did, not doing his own will (which he would have done when he is God) but doing the will of his heavenly Father, Allah, the God of Abraham, which they too consider the Only One True God. The trinity is not a biblical teaching but a human doctrine.

  13. Somi, your base is wrong- I mean totally wrong. What all have been trying to tell you is that you cannot call yourself a Muslim if you believe in certain parts of Quran and reject others- we can debate about authenticity of some Ahadith, but not Quran- and it’s ok to admit, that you are not a Muslim. Looks like you don’t want to admit this either, and are also not willing to give up on your false interpretations or semi-beliefs either. You can’t have it both ways my friend. Sorry

    • To MAC
      MY CLARIFICATION.
      I do understand your feeling that Most Islamic clerics disagree / reject my interpretation of Islam, specially the extremist Clerics. The extremist accuse me I am not Muslim.

      The foundation of differences are:
      1. I believe and practice Bible and Al Quran as my guidance of Islam. Bible and Al Qurab are Islamic teaching and all prophets were Muslim/ Islam.’But most clerics do not believe actually and reject Bible.

      2. I do not believe and not worship IDOLS ( hadith)
      But most Clerics believe and worship idols from Hadith.

      3. I reject syariah law as the state of law, but extremist Clerics want the syariah law as the state of law.

      4. I believe that syariah laws can be reformed and corrected acccording to condition of place and knowledge, but most cleric believe that syariah laws cannot be reformed for ever.

      5. I believe that Human Right is the tenet if Islamic teaching but most clerics reject Human Right

      6. According to Q.22:78, all Jews, Chtistian and Muslim are Islam, we are all brotherhod in Islam faith, but most clerics hate and hostile toward Jews and Christian. They accuse them unbeliever or infidel, should be discriminate and punish them except God is Allah, Muhammad us His messenger.

      7. I believe that Islamic teaching is concentrating on closeness with God and strengthen economy by following prophet Muhammad how to earn money. But most clerics concentrate on closeness with God, but ignore or neglect to strengthen economy. Most clerics earn money by selling verses of God throught Dakwah.

      The extremist clerics accuse the Progressive Muslim are non Muslim as well Ahmadiyyah, and Shiah.

      Hopefully Allah guide the non progressive Muslim to the right path of Islam. Amen

      With love ❤️
      Happy New Year to You May Allah bless you with joy.

  14. My Clarification
    The Progressive Muslim and Ahmadiyyah has the common share namely
    1. promoting peaceful Islam, no hatred but live all.
    2. Agree on demiccratuc seculare system.
    3. Reject violence and extremist Muslim.

    All ❤️

    • This wolf again tried to appear as a sheep.
      Somi did not reply to anti-Islamic contents on his website.
      If Somi is a Muslim, he will immediately remove anti-Islamic contents from his website.
      He will stop insulting Quran and verses of Quran.
      He will stop preaching hate against Muslims.
      He will never do it because he is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

  15. This wolf again tried to appear as a sheep.

    Somi did not erase his anti-Islamic contents from his website.

    He will never do it because he is a wolf in sheep’s clothing

    Somi did not say that Jesus was a spiritual son of God.
    Somi did not say that Quranic verses cannot be changed by him.
    Somi did not say that New Testament is not a word of God. We don’t know the real authors of the gospel.
    Somi did not say that he will take erase hate against Muslims, from his website.
    God is Judge but we can read hatemongering against Muslims on his website.

    Beware of him.

  16. Somi, I may be ready to give you the benefit of doubt in the sense that maybe you are not deceiving others, but are rather self-deceived and disillusioned; however, please answer this question unequivocally: Do you believe in ALL verses, words and letters of the Holy Quran, as being the word of God, and do you consider it an unforgivable sin to abrogate, “refine”, or replace any of them, in any sense? Yes or No only please. thanks

  17. As expected you have circumvented my question- I asked for plain yes or no answer but you keep on avoiding it for obvious reasons- thats ok with me, you can believe in what you want

  18. Somi, please keep your version of Islam with you. You have right to practice whatever you think is right for you.

    Your version insults God, Prophet Muhammad, and Quran as you do not believe in in ALL verses of the Holy Quran.

    Your website promotes abrogation of verses of Quran.

    Your website calls Jesus God and son of God.

    Your website calls Bible as the inerrant word of God, while we do not know who actually wrote Gospel.

    Do you any Islamic school or you have started your own version. What is the name of your school?

    You have not answered these questions.

    • Even Christian scholars know that the bible is not the full word of God, but that what we have now is a translation of a translation of what various persons wrote down over a long period of time. I do not quite remember in which book, but there is one let’s say the book of Moses where ‘Moses (is supposed to) speak and in the end of the chapter it says ‘and no body found his grave until this day’, showing clearly that it was written long after his death by someone else. Somi is therefore more Christian than the Christians are.

      • Rafiq— Please contemplate this verse !

        There are some unknown meaning of verses which only God knows it.
        Extremist Muslim use this verses to accuse others is wrong. God already warned His people do not slander or discord others.
        He is the One who has revealed to you the Book (the Qur’an). Out of it there are verses that are Muhkamat (of established meaning), which are the principal verses of the Book, and some others are Mutashabihat (whose definite meanings are unknown). Now those who have perversity in their hearts go after such part of it as is mutashabih, seeking (to create) discord, and searching for its interpretation (that meets their desires), while no one knows its interpretation except Allah; and those well-grounded in knowledge say: “We believe therein; all is from our Lord.” 3 Only the men of understanding observe the advice. (7) Our Lord, do not let our hearts deviate from the right path after You have given us guidance, and bestow upon us mercy from Your own. Surely, You, and You alone, are the One who bestows in abundance. Q.3:7-8.
        All our ❤️
        Please do not delete my respond— be fair!

  19. You don’t need to explain any further- we all know clearly in what you believe.
    You DO NOT believe in Quran. You believe in your own mind & conscious, since you mentioned more than once that you only ‘believe’ in the verses that make ‘sense’ to you with reference to modern times. This is NOT belief my friend- belief does not come with logic. There is an element of resignation and ‘blindness’ in belief- which is actually a by-product of the love for Allah- that you are completely devoid of. You will remain disillusioned till you understand this point. Period.

  20. MAC——This accusation is baseless—I never said that—
    Those who accusse someone belief— they are intolerance—do not know how to respect other belief— only the extremist clerics who does not respect other belief.
    Are you ahmadiyyah or extremist Muslim?

    I know ahmadiyyah belief, they are respect other belief, they are tolerant Muslim, they are promoting peace.
    All our ❤️

  21. I am sorry if I hurt your feelings, you may not have said those words outright but have more than once clearly implied so. I have asked you several times (as have others on this thread) if you believe in all verses of Holy Quran, and you have dodged & circumvented this question every time. In fact you have clearly admitted that you do not ‘follow’ (which is analogous to ‘believe’) ‘violent’ verses of Holy Quran, such as :,9:5,9:29, 5:51, etc.
    And yes I am Ahmadi Muslim (Alhamolillah) and am as tolerant as any of my other Ahmadi brothers & sisters on this thread- I have absolutely no problem with what you believe, what you think you believe, and what you preach. My only point is that your belief is incomplete and highly twisted, and therefore insufficient to qualify you as a complete Muslim. If you know Ahmadis, although we are the most tolerant in dealing with other people of beliefs, we are also the most adamant on basics and never compromise on the foundations of our belief.

    • MAC— I accept your apoligy— if you intended to hurt my feeling, you failed— no one can hurt my feeling—God protect me from evil act.

      I am glad you said you are a Ahmadiyyah Muslim, I love Ahmadiyyah Muslim—the true Ahmadiyyah is lovely Muslim, promote peaceful Islam, tolerance, respect the different belief, thought and interpretation of Islam—with motto— love all and hatred none.

      Progresive Islam and Ahmadiyya has the same boat on promoting peaceful islam, tolerant, seculare, love all people , Human Right etc—— but we still have differences of interpretation of many verses of Al Quran. We can discuss it kindly.

      I love to discuss the different issue to seek the truth of Islam.
      We are so concern and feel ashame that the extremist intolerant Muslim who persecute and kill thousand innocent people under the name of Islam and while shouting Allahu Akbar—nauzubillah—this is absolutely Muslim problem— only Muslim can solve this problem— do you agree MAC?

      Let us discuss many issue with open mind, hopefully God will guide us to the truth of Islam, may we find a good solution for our Islamic communities.

      I do not want to judge other religion, I have no right to criticize other religion, but I have the right to criticize my own religion of Islam. I want to try to correct or to cleanse or to reform the ancient Islamic laws and violent Islamic law according to the progress of science, technology and human’s life in contex modern time.

      Let us do it, we can do it together to stop killing innocent people in the name of our religion ( Islam).
      Let us pray together to Allah, may Allah bless us all.

      All our ❤️
      Please do not delete my respond— respect difference and love all. God will bless you.

      • Mr. Somi, your answers are out of order. Come to the point.

        Please understand that Muslims do not reject any verse of Quran. Quran cannot be changed.

        As a Muslim, please understand that Jesus is not God or Son of God.

        As a Muslim, you must reject the divinity of Jesus.

        You will remain disillusioned till you understand this point. Period.

  22. Mr. Somi your answers are self-explanatory.

    Muslims can read and decide very easily who you are.

    Neither Christian nor Muslims will agree with you.

    You are disillusioned about Quran and Islam.

    • Very sad, my respond still be delated by some one who does not respect other interpretation of Islam. I consider those who delete my respond is a bad Ahmadiyyah, still has the extremist ideology in his mind. He is not a true Ahmadiyya.
      May Allah guide him to be tolerant Muslim. Amin
      All our love❤️

  23. Just this Comment:
    All Scripture must first of all be read and its context so that they are correctly understood at the lowest level therefore,neither Quran or Bible should not be read without a Commentary) 9.5 was not for the 21st century. Here is what I accept as a reasonable commentary since it is supported by the tafsir or commentary of Yusuf Ali. Generally I do not appreciate most of what Dr. Zakir Naik writes but this time he has explained himself well.
    http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/quran_95_commentary/

  24. Somi, It’s good that you like Ahmadis, but apparently you like them only for being polite and tolerant, and not for what they believe- and the point under discussion is belief, not being tolerant or nice. So please come to the point and tell us if you want to discuss any particular verse that you think is ‘not valid in the modern times’ as you call them. This attitude of yours is the basis of the whole discussion.

    • MAC.— This is from my deep heart I love the true ahmadiyyah Muslim because most of them I know and its teaching namely to promote The peaceful Islam, peaceful image of Islam by loving all people, respect other beliefs, live in harmony in global society, and practice Human Right. These are the tenet of Islamic teaching.

      Please do not expect I agree all Ahmadiyyah belief or interpretation of verses of al Quran. It is OK,
      By disccusion hopefully we can find the truth of Islam teaching as long as we open our mind and heart. May God bless us all. Amin

      You can read my website, if you find something you disagree, we can discuss here.
      All our ❤️
      Please do not delete my respond to MAC, God bless you.

  25. You are absolutely right, those are some of the main missions of the Ahmadiyya Jama`at- however, this does not mean in any way that we are to compromise on our beliefs in any form just in order to be peaceful or harmonious to others

  26. Mr. Somi always dodges the real question.

    1-Mr. Somi do you believe that Jesus is God?

    2-Mr. Somi do you believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God?

    3-Mr. Somi do you believe that Jesus died on the cross for the redemption of sins of humanity?

    4- Mr. Somi do you believe that Jesus was resurrected three days and nights after his death on the cross.

    5- Mr. Somi do you believe that the same Jesus is alive somewhere in space today and soon will descend as the universal king over all the human beings.

    6- Mr. Somi do you believe in all the verses of Quran.

    Will you answer these question without running around these questions.?

    • @ Anonymious — I think I already unswer some your concern, but someone delated my respond to you.
      Very sad, all my argument base on God’s word, not my opinion.

      Let we discusse one issue first, then the Next.
      Q. 1-Mr. Somi do you believe that Jesus is God?

      A. Our prophet affirmed in Al Quran that Jesus was A Holy and Allah is also Holy. By this definition Jesus was the spirit of God. Refer to Q.19:19. Jesus was God’s spirit.

      Our Imam never tell the truth about this verse clearly.,
      Do we dare to reject this verse?

      He said: “Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord (to announce) to thee the gift of a Holy son.” (19)

      Jesus was a Messenger and Holy Son.
      The spirit of God entered to Jesus body, and God protect Jesus from Evil 100 percent. Evil cannot enter Jesus soul.

      But Evil can enter people’s soul like us. Every second evil try tempting people.

      God spirit exist in our soul as described in this verse:
      Can Allah enter to human body? Yes, as Allah say in Al Quran;

      Indeed We have created man, and We know whatever thoughts his inner self develops, and We are closer to him than (his) jugular vein,Q.50:16.
      It means that Allah exist in human being. He knows everything what people does.

      What is your respond, do you reject God’s verse above?
      Or now you can accept it.
      All our ❤️

      • Jesus was a messenger and NOT a Holy Son. Allah protected all messengers from sin, not only Jesus. Jesus eat food, and all who eat food what do they do afterwards? And Jesus died in Kashmir. You can go and visit his tomb.

      • Somi: your answer is still not clear. OK, Jesus is a holy son. Whose holy son? Mary’s holy son. God protect Jesus from evil like He protected all Messingers from evil. The question was: Do you belief that Jesus is God’s son? You did not answer properly. He is Mary’s son, yes. If you believe he is God’s son then better declare yourself a Christian.

  27. @ Rafiq: Q. If you believe he is God’s Son ?
    There two interpretation of the word of Son.

    1. Christian believe that the word of Son is not mean the son of human, but we are all the son of God. But Jesus was special son of God, because he was Holy, abd we are not holy, we are sin.

    2. Most of our Imam or clerics have different interpretation that the word of Son just like the son of human.
    Which one is correct interpretation? Only Allah know it.

    For me, Jesus is not the son of like human, but we are all the son of God, all are the children of God.

    Jesus was a prophet like other prophet, human body, conveyed God’s verses to people, but also Jesus was Holy Spirit 100 percent, he could gave a life of bird, he could gave a life again death people and he will come back on earth
    All my argument base on God’s words Rafiq. Most our Imam and clerics hide the truth..

    Thay is why God command Muslim to believe Jesus teaching as our prophet obeyed it.

    Those who follow Jesus teaching God will fill his heart a lot of LOVE. Those who does not, his heart fill full hatred toword Christian and Jews. The promise og God.

    Hopefully my explanation will be benafits Amin

    All our ❤️
    Please ask the Next Question.

    • I follow the Qur’an. Jesus is son of Mary. Virgin birth is special, but not ‘out of this world’. Jesus is human and died as a human in Kashmir. – ‘Those who follow Jesus teaching God will fill his hear a lot of Love’. Joking, are you? Look at the Christian world, exporters of arms and ammunition and death. I cannot see all that much love over there. – Poor Somi, you are a mixed up guy. Please pray for guidance. Do not be so full of yourself to think only you are on the right path. Study and pray for guidance. Visit http://www.alislam.org library with an open mind.

  28. Mr. Somi, please answer my questions. I am not asking your arguments. You always dodge the real question.Please, I am not asking why you believe whatever you believe. Please do not tell me what other believe or others should believe.

    I am writing these questions again. Please answer with yes or no.

    1-Mr. Somi do you believe that Jesus is God the father, the creator of the multiverse. The Jesus is God the father, the creator of the multiverse.

    2-Mr. Somi do you believe that Jesus is the only-begotten son of God. Jesus is the only-begotten Son of God.

    3-Mr. Somi do you believe that Jesus died on the cross for the redemption of sins of all before and after his death on the cross. Did Jesus die on the cross for the redemption of sins of all before and after his death on the cross?

    4- Mr. Somi do you believe that Jesus was resurrected three days and nights after his death on the cross.Did Jesus get resurrect three days and nights after his death on the cross?

    5- Mr. Somi do you believe that the same Jesus is alive today somewhere in space and soon will descend as the universal king over all the human beings.The same Jesus is alive somewhere in space and soon will descend as the universal king over all the human beings.

    6- Mr. Somi do you believe in all the verses of Quran.Do you believe in all the verses of Quran?

    Will you answer these question without running around? Will you answer these question without running around?
    .

  29. I have gotten these six believes of yours from your website.
    So will you answer, please yes or no?

    1-Mr. Somi do you believe that Jesus is God the father, the creator of the multiverse. The Jesus is God the father, the creator of the multiverse.

    2-Mr. Somi do you believe that Jesus is the only-begotten son of God. Jesus is the only-begotten Son of God.

    3-Mr. Somi do you believe that Jesus died on the cross for the redemption of sins of all before and after his death on the cross. Did Jesus die on the cross for the redemption of sins of all before and after his death on the cross?

    4- Mr. Somi do you believe that Jesus was resurrected three days and nights after his death on the cross.Did Jesus get resurrect three days and nights after his death on the cross?

    5- Mr. Somi do you believe that the same Jesus is alive today somewhere in space and soon will descend as the universal king over all the human beings.The same Jesus is alive somewhere in space and soon will descend as the universal king over all the human beings.

    6- Mr. Somi do you believe in all the verses of Quran.Do you believe in all the verses of Quran?

    • @ Anonymous—-wrote:
      ==This wolf again tried to appear as a sheep.==

      You are not a Ahmadiyyah Muslim.. Ahmadiyyah are lovely Muslim and respect the different belief.. never accuse others badly.
      All ❤️

  30. Lol this guy is freaking hilarious- I am now starting to think that he’s just doing it for fun or just for a laugh at the expense of others’ wrath- I’m not buying it anymore. So Mr Somi, keep on believing in your mysterious, unfounded and predominantly Christian beliefs with the illusions of being a Muslim. It’s your life and you have every right to screw it the way you want.

    • Will you answer a non-Ahmadi?

      Ahmadis do not believe in these sis things which you propagate at your website.

      Why can’t you answer these six questions?

      You are trying to hide under cover of Ahmadiyyat. you can not run away.

      Answer my sis questions if you can.

  31. Somi you can continue believing St Paul’ Christianity. You have right.

    St Paul’ Christianity is not Islam. Jesus died without any gospel in his life. The first gospel 60 years after, by “Mark” but nobody knows who Mark was.

    All of 12 disciples deserted Jesus at the cross.At that time there was no ST Paul so they did not have this belief when Jesus was crucified,

    If you believe these six things, just say so. I won’t ask any reason from you because I know these excuses.

    Jesus was a Jew. Jesus never believed or preached that he was God, or only begotten Son of God or will die on the cross for our sins.

    We can Talk the only miracle Jesus gave to Jews “The Miracle of Jonah” if you want after you come out of the closet.

    Be truthful to us. Come out of the closet.

  32. Somi is trying to hide behind the “tolerance” and “love” of Jama`at Ahmadiyya to propagate his self-devised amalgamation of Christian beliefs coated with “Modern Islam”- if you try to argue, he comes back with the same notion that being Ahmadi, how could you not see the “love” that he claims to have? So instead of answering our questions as to why would we consider him a Muslim with all his mushrik beliefs, he kind of counter-asks as to how can we be true Ahmadis without responding to his “love”- he would never come to the point and would try to keep everyone in endless circles- In between, he would try to keep fitting his wayward beliefs with no intention of any serious discussion. what a waste!

  33. ok so now we are fools- actually you know what, maybe we are- since we just keep answering your hallucinations every time, despite knowing your response. Thanks for calling me a fool, at least that takes the false label of “love” that you seem to have camouflaged yourself with. Please don’t use your love symbol at least when responding to me. thanks

  34. Does it really contradict each other one text saying Jesus was lying in a manger the other saying he was born under a palm tree, both can happen at the same time?

    Concerning the name: Christ Jesus. His real name was Jeshua and not the name Jesus (Hail Zeus) the polytheist worshippers gave him at the council of Nicea, from those who agreed with Constantine to make the prophet into a god. (Luckily there always have been Christians who refused to accept that human dogma of the trinity and kept worshipping Allah, accepting Jeshua (Ishi/Jesus/Jezus.Chesu) was the Immanuel and sent one from God.

    Muslims do have to be very careful not to mix Christianity with Christendom. In Christendom the majority may worship a three-headed god, but in Christianity there are lots of Christians who worship the Only One True God, Allah the elohim Hashem Jehovah. Like Muslims they believe that Jesus was a human prophet of God, a sent one of God, as it is written in the Bible. Those real Christians do not believe that Jesus would be one and the same person as Allah. They are convinced that Jesus is a man of flesh and blood and not God. They also believe that the name “Son of God” was used in a metaphorical sense to refer to one of God’s chosen prophets and as ‘children’ or ‘creations’ of God but also as descendant of the creatures of God being a son of Adam and a son of Abraham, a son of Isaac, a son of David, etc..

  35. To Somi- (I dont see his comment here but it was in the email, something weird with this site):

    You have quoted the verses “favoring” your claim that the Holy Quran supports the notion of Jesus being a literal son of God (Nauz-o-Billah). First of all, you have forgotten or ignored countless verses which outrightly reject any associates with Him in any form.

    In particular, there are so many verses which specifically target the Christian’s claim of Jesus being the literal son.

    Why don’t you quote 19:90 & 91: “The heavens almost rupture therefrom and the earth splits open and the mountains collapse in devastation..That they attribute to the Most Merciful a son.’

    Or 18: 4,5: “And to warn those who say, ” Allah has taken a son.”..They have no knowledge of it, nor had their fathers. Grave is the word that comes out of their mouths; they speak not except a lie.”..

    Or Surah Ikhlas: ‘Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begets not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.

    You have also tried to deceive others by your quotations of the Holy Quran.

    Your quotation of 5:111 is a complete fabrication. Jesus never “sent down” food from heaven, but only prayed to Allah to do so. Please go back and read again.

    And for 19:33: “And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive.”.. there is NOTHING extra-special about these attributes of Jesus- Allah gives the same attributes to Yaha (John the Baptist) in the SAME Surah: 19:15- ‘And peace be upon him the day he was born and the day he dies and the day he is raised alive.”

    As for 5:110- “and when you brought forth the dead with My permission..”, please be advised that this is completely metaphorical in nature- which means that Jesus, as all other Prophets, raised the spiritually dead to spiritual life again. In fact, Allah uses the same notion for Prophet Muhammad (s,a) ..8:24..”O you who believe! Respond to God and to the Messenger when he calls you to what will REVIVE you..” If the meaning of revive here is figurative, why can’t the meaning of 5:110 be figurative? On the other hand, there are numerous verses describing that ONLY ALLAH can cause birth and death, such as 42:9 “Or have they taken protectors [or allies] besides him? But Allah – He is the Protector, and He gives life to the dead, and He is over all things competent.”

    May Allah guide the likes of Somi to the right path. Amen

  36. Please do not try to attack my personal!
    Discuss with God’s word to seek the truth.

    Prophet Muhammad (pbhu) affirmed that Jesus was a Son of God.and a Son of Marry.
    Let us investigate weather Jesus was God and Prophet too.

    What is definition of God?
    1.God is Holy Spirit
    2.God is the first and the last.

    Allah say in Al Quran: 19:19, 5:110
    Jesus is Holy Spirit

    Allah say in Al Quran 57:3
    I (Allah ) am the First and the Last

    Jesus say in Gospel Rev.1:17
    I am the First and the Last.

    Therefore Jesus is God. It is very clear cannot be denied!

    Let us discusse about above verses first.
    Do you reject God’s words ( verses ) above?
    Why do you dare to reject it?

    All our ❤️

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